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Prism Sound Orpheus review (long)

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Posted on December 9, 2009 at 16:07:10
aljordan
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Hi,

I am sitting in my listening room, listening to some new music, watching a heavy snow turn the muted winter landscape white on the other side of the picture window . I've been meaning to write about the DAC I've been listening to for the last week or so, and now is a good time, as doing so is far more inviting than my impending date with the snow shovel.

--The Technical Details--

The Prism Sound Orpheus is a solid state, high-end, pro-audio digital to analog / analog to digital converter, with eight channels of analog inputs and eight channels of analog outputs. The analog inputs and outputs can operate with both balanced and unbalanced connections, and are switchable between -10 dBV and +4 dBu. The Orpheus connects to a PC via fire-wire, but also includes digital inputs and outputs on RCA (s/pdif or AES mode), and toslink. All inputs and outputs can operate at sampling rates from 44.1 kHz to 192 kHz, with word lengths up to 24 bit.

The Orpheus includes two headphone outputs, each with separate analog volume controls. It sports a front panel attenuator that can be mapped to any or none of the analog outputs, but unlike the headphone level controls, this attenuator is digital. The Orpheus also includes a hardware sampling rate converter that is normally bypassed but can be configured to any of the usual sampling rates, but the SRC only works on the RCA or toslink digital inputs and outputs. For example, you cannot take a 44.1 kHz signal from the computer via fire-wire, run it through the SRC, and send the results to a pair of the analog outputs, although you could if you used the RCA or toslink digital input.

A few more technical aspects of the Orpheus before getting into its sound... I have not confirmed this with Prism, but I believe the Orpheus uses a fire-wire driver that can act in asynchronous mode. When listening via a PC, there are settings to slave the PC to the Orpheus clock, or one can slave the Orpheus to the computer clock. I find that slaving the PC to the Orpheus clock sounds better. The Orpheus can also be slaved to a transport via s/pdif, or slaved to an external clock. External devices can also be slaved to the Orpheus using a word clock, base clock, or 256x clock.

The Orpheus ASIO driver is not single client driver like the Lynx. More than one software package can access the ASIO driver at a given time.

The Orpheus can be used as a stand alone DAC. Settings are configured via the Orpheus control software, but are written to internal device memory when the front panel button is pressed to send the unit into stand-by mode. If the unit is powered up while not connected to the computer, its settings are loaded from internal memory. In this manner the Orpheus can be used as a DAC for a CD or DVD player transport. The Orpheus is also bit perfect as long as its internal hardware mixers and its digital volume control are not in the signal path. I have no idea of the bit depth at which the digital volume control operates when it is in the signal path. I have a note into Prism in hopes to learn more.

There are eight LED level indicators on the front panel of the Orpheus that can be turned off, configured to monitor the analog input channels, or configured to monitor the analog output channels. The LED's change color from blue, green and orange as signal level increases. A red LED is lit if the signal reaches -0.05dBFS, to show a near clip situation. It is kind of interesting to monitor the output channels with the level meters because they give instant feedback on the compression level of a recording. Good classical and jazz recordings will hang around the blue / green range, hitting orange and red on rare peaks. But play something like Dream Theater and watch the meters stay red through the entire recording, if you can bear to listen that long.

There is no turn-on or turn-off thumps or snaps coming through the Orpheus when it, or the computer its connected to, are powered on and off. Hence it would be an excellent DAC to use for a digital crossover because it won't send an accidental spike to your tweeters. There are a number of other features related to recording and monitoring, of which the Prism Sound web site will explain well.

--The Sound--

Anyone who is familiar with my past posts may be aware that, while I appreciate solid engineering and good specifications, I care more about my ability to connect and respond to the sound coming out of my system. Hence, in my otherwise all solid state system, I tend to go for DACs that are more musical than accurate. While I've listened to a lot of DACs over the years, both inexpensive and expensive, my three favorite DACs have been the inexpensive E-Mu 0404 USB, the medium priced MHDT Labs Havana, and the expensive (in my opinion) Wavelength Cosecant V3. Having spent a lot of time with prosumer DACs from M-Audio, Lynx and Benchmark, it was with some trepidation that I approached the idea of getting an Orpheus for trial, as the Orpheus is considered a "transparent" DAC suitable for mastering duties. I don't think the Lynx and the Benchmark as bad products, but I find the sound quality of the Lynx to be heavily dependant upon the quality of the PC it is housed in, and the Benchmark doesn't suit my system nor my tastes. Jerry S did a recent review of the Orpheus on 10Audio.com, and mentioned that the out-of-the-box sound was thin, taking about three hundred hours to break in. Although I think he was mainly reviewing the DAC on its merits as an analog to digital converter and phono preamp for his turntable set-up, I did not feel that three hundred hours was necessary. Given that the Orpheus measures exceptionally well, I wasn't really expecting much from it in terms musical enjoyment, especially coming from the slightly colored but beautifully listenable 24 bit Wavelength. I did think the front panel lights looked pretty cool, so I knew it wouldn't be a total waste of my time.

I was surprised when I first put the Orpheus in my system. I expected low bass response from a solid state DAC, and low bass response is what I got, so that is not what surprised me. I was expecting high frequency extension from the DAC, and high frequency extension was what I got, so that didn't surprise me. I was expecting a thin midrange and some hardness in the upper midrange and lower treble, but that isn't what I got. What I got was smooth upper frequencies and a full midrange along with bass performance I've never heard the likes of. To put this into perspective, the midrange is not quite as full as the Wavelength or the MHDT Havana, but the midrange does not sound tonally thin like many other solid state DACs I've used. The high frequencies are smoother and more listenable than any DAC I've had in the system. Solid state DACs like the Benchmark have good low bass control. The Orpheus takes that low bass control and adds impact, transient definition, and mid-bass fullness.

One of the aspects I really like about the Wavelength and the Havana is that the tube output stage tends to portray a nice bit of sound-stage dimensionality. The Orpheus, in comparison, will throw a dimensionally deeper sound-stage on naturally recorded acoustic music, like live jazz and orchestral works, but sometimes it gives a slightly flatter sound-stage on studio recordings. I suppose that the Orpheus is more transparent to the recording in this regard, and that the tube output stages of the other DACs give the studio recordings a little additive help. But this brings up a conundrum in my thoughts regarding the Orpheus: the DAC seems very transparent - in that I can hear deeper into the sound-stage with more separation than all other DACs I've tried - yet I can't really consider the Orpheus as "transparent", because the the upper mids and high frequencies sound too good across too wide a wide range of recordings. Most solid state DACs I've tried will sound quite good on very good recordings, and sound like purgatory on less well recorded music. The Orpheus tends to sound sweet on a wide range of recordings. I don't mean to say that the Orpheus will make all recordings sound good, as there are a good number of abysmal recordings in my collection, but I just don't hear the upper frequency glare that I am used to hearing with solid state DACs. This aspect of the Orpheus is probably not beneficial to a mastering studio, but it works very well in my system.

--Direct to Amp via Digital Attenuation vs Preamp--

I generally like to use a preamp in between my source and amplifiers. Well, let me rephrase that statement. I like to use the H2O Audio Fire between my source and amplifiers. The other preamplifiers I've tried don't have the linearity and transparency of the Fire, so I would otherwise try to skip the preamplifier stage if I were able. My amplifiers have a low-ish input impedance, so the preamp is needed with certain source components, specifically those with a tube output stage. I ran the Orpheus directly into the amps via an unbalanced connection at the -10 dBV setting, and compared this to running the Orpheus into the Fire with the digital volume control bypassed. I ran the Orpheus at the -10 dBV setting so that I would not have to use as much digital attenuation while running directly into the amps. There may be slight differences in the sound between the two but they are very difficult to pick out. Running the Orpheus direct may give up a little dynamics compared to the Fire, and the Fire may add a smidgen of warmth and hence a slight reduction in air around the instruments. Both manners sound excellent, so the output stage of the Orpheus seems to be very good. To add some perspective, I can hear more of a difference between running the Orpheus direct to the amps via balanced Mogami cables compared to running direct to amp via the unbalanced to balanced interconnects that I received from Pass, even though the gain is automatically adjusted between the balanced and unbalanced outputs.

--Comparisons to other DACs On-hand--

Wavelength Cosecant V3 with 24 bit module: I can't tell which of these DACs I like better. There are differences to be sure, but both sound excellent in there own way. The Wavelength gives a slightly more tangible presence to certain instruments, probably because of its tube flavored midrange, and adds a bit of warmth to the lower midrange. The Wavelength is highly resolving of low level musical details and offers pace that draws me into the music. Its an extremely pleasant DAC to listen to. Surprisingly, the Orpheus gives up only a little to the Wavelength in terms of midrange fullness, and adds extension and sweetness on both ends. I would like to be able to say that each DAC excels at presenting a particular type of music, but I can't. They sound different, but each sounds great with a wide range of music. I can say that I fairly consistently prefer the Orpheus on large scale orchestral arrangements because the low bass control and low bass dynamics are better than that of the Wavelength. However, there is plenty of air via the 24 bit Cosecant, and the Wavelength gives the most realistic rendition of cymbals and stringed instruments like guitar and violin that I've yet heard.

Modwright Logitech Transporter with "Platinum Truth" modifications: I hear a fair amount of glare and hardness in the upper midrange and a bloated and confused mid-bass and rolled off low bass in the Modwright Transporter when compared to the Orpheus. The Orpheus is smoother, more resolving, and more analog-like sounding. The person who owned the Transporter had swapped out the stock tubes so maybe its original incarnation sounds better than what I was hearing.

Lynx Studio 2B and Benchmark DAC-1: The Orpheus is far more expensive than either of these two DACs, so its not really fair to compare them, but both are well known entities so its probably worth a sentence or two. Both the Lynx and the Benchmark sound similar to me, with the Benchmark being a touch cleaner and a touch thinner sounding than the Lynx. The Orpheus offers more midrange fullness than both DACs, with better resolution, noticeably better transient response, more resolution and impact in the low frequencies, and a "sweeter" sound throughout the frequency range.

--Summary--
The Prism Sound Orpheus offers solid state control, frequency extension and dynamics, adds in a sprinkling of tube-like fullness, and keeps the results sweet across the frequency range. The DAC is expensive, but if you consider that it has amazingly good analog to digital converters, RIAA equalisation, and a very good output stage, it pretty much negates the need for a preamp and phono preamp. It has eight output channels so it can also negate the need for an external crossover if you use subs or speakers that require an active crossover. In other words, it offers far more features for your money than a typical "audiophile" DAC, yet sounds better than most and on par with the best I've heard.

--Typical Music Listened to in the Review--
Lots of Pat Methany incarnations
Lots of Brad Mehldau Trio
Lots of Lynne Arrial Trio
Julianna Raye - Dominoes
Eiji Oue - Minnesota Orchestra - Stravinsky
Arvo Part - various
Caroline Goulding (self titled)
Zuill Bailey and Simone Dinnerstein - Beethovan
Wagner / Dressler - The Symphonic Ring (192 kHz master)
Daby Toure and Skip McDonnald - In Session
Kings of Convenience - various
Fleet Foxes (self titled)
Speed Caravan - Kalashnik Love
Transatlantic - Whirlwind
Etcetera, etcetera, on and on it goes......

--Equipment used in my review (not including comparison DACs)--
Local System:
- H2O Audio Fire preamplifier
- Pass Labs XA 100.5 amplifiers
- Avalon Opus speakers

Bedroom System:
- DIY Pass Labs B1 buffer (acting as a preamplifier)
- Squeezebox Duet
- B&K ST 202 Plus amplifier
- Marantz analog tuner
- Home built Ellis Audio 1801b speakers
- Home built sub (Selah Audio Whomp design)

Buddy's System:
- Audiovalve Eclipse preamplifier
- Pass Labs XA 100.5 amplifiers
- Wilson Audio Sophia II speakers

 

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RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 9, 2009 at 16:19:42
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Enjoy your new DAC and thanks for the review. Is the Orpheus around $4500?

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 9, 2009 at 16:38:27
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Hi Mercman,

Yes, it lists for $4500. Discounts are hard to find, but they can be had if you look around enough.

Alan

 

Very Nice Review, posted on December 9, 2009 at 16:42:47
You should post it as a 'formal review'.

BTW, is it broken in yet? and did you experiment with different power cords?

 

Clear, helpful review., posted on December 9, 2009 at 17:01:30
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Thanks much.

Did you consider or compare to the Metric Halo uln-8?

 

RE: Very Nice Review, posted on December 9, 2009 at 17:16:14
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Hi,

I can't really say if its broken in. In comparison to the other DACs I was listening to, it settled a bit after a couple of days, but I haven't noticed much change since then.

I am not really a power cord kind of guy. I am however, a power chord kind of guy, as long as someone like Steven Wilson is behind the guitar.

A couple of years ago, the very little bit of experimentation that I tried with power cords in my system didn't make a difference, and that was with an amp that supposedly responded to power chord changes, so I never tried again. I live in a somewhat rural area, and have a very good local power company. I can only hear a slight difference when I have a PS Audio Power Plant Premier feeding my source components compared to when its bypassed.

I'd be happy to try again if someone wants to offer a cord up for review, but it doesn't make sense for me to purchase one.

Alan

 

Thanks Alan (nt), posted on December 9, 2009 at 17:17:16
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Fair Enough, posted on December 9, 2009 at 17:52:48
If you are not into power cords then I wouldn't want to get you started...this hobby is bad enough as it is, without getting hooked on another upgrade path.

 

RE: Clear, helpful review., posted on December 9, 2009 at 18:00:11
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Hi,

I would have loved to listen to a ULN-8, which supposedly colors the high frequencies less than the Orpheus, but the Metric didn't really fit into the plan. Unfortunately, the ULN-8 costs another $1500 more than the Orpheus and is MAC only. I didn't want to have to go buy another computer, having five PCs running various operating systems around the house already.

To be honest, regarding a mastering quality DAC, I am not really sure if I am looking for the truth if the truth means only enjoying the sound quality of the very best recordings. (I can't handle the truth!) I have no idea what the actual performance of the ULN-8 is, but I've read its even more "transparent" than the Orpheus. Its hard to gauge what transparent means in audio circles. I've heard people describe gear as "transparent" that just sounds thin and annoying to me. However, lately I've been gravitating towards overbuilt class A solid state amplification and preamplification that I would actually call transparent, even though there is no thinness to the sound. If the ULN-8 has that same type of transparency without thinness, then I probably would have loved it.

Alan

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 9, 2009 at 18:10:37
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I have an Orpheus now in my system for several months. While I find it excellent, I find the treble to be a touch less sweet than most others mention. I am also using Mogami cables and have a feeling the cables are the bottleneck. As for soundstage width I find it excellent and among the best I have heard. If you care to trade notes feel free to PM me. So far I have only used it for playback and played some high res 24/192 recordings to pure amazement. That is where I felt it excelled beyond all my other gear. I use a Mac Mini dedicated to the Prism. What computer front end do you use. I tried Amarra as a free demo and didn't like it on 16/44 but I did on 24/176.

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 9, 2009 at 18:36:50
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Hi dgad,

I have a pair of the Mogami Gold TRS to XLR balanced cables. When I tried them with the Orpheus, there was some unpleasant hardness and glare in the upper midrange compared to the other cables I ran. I usually don't detect much differences between cables, but this was a fairly unpleasant result that was quite apparent. I don't have any other balanced interconnects to compare them to, but if I had only listened to the DAC with the Mogami, I would have sent it back.

The sweet top-end and mids came when using the following cables with a TRS to RCA adapter:

http://www.renohifi.com/burley.html

Both the Burley and the Mogami were the same length (15 feet). You might consider trying a standard RCA cable with Radio Shack 1/4" mono to RCA adapters if you have a pair hanging around, just to see what happens. A while back, I tried running a Mogami Gold balanced between my Pass preamp and amps, and I never liked the results, even compared to a standard cheapo RCA cable that I've had for years. Unfortunately, I don't know if it is the Mogami cable in particular, or if it is the nature of the balanced connection itself. I know balanced connections are quieter and are supposed to perform better, but thus far I've not liked what I've heard when using them. I was thinking of having a pair of having a pair of balanced Burley cables made with TRS on one end and XLR on the other, but I don't really want to dump five hundred bucks on cables right now.

For a PC front end, I am using a home built quiet PC running Windows XP service pack 3. Thus far I've tried J River Media Center, Foobar 2000, and CPlay as players for the Orpheus. I think J River's ASIO output sounds better than Foobar 2000's ASIO output, even though Foobar is a more stable player. I think CPlay sounds fine also but I don't like waiting for the files to load up over the network.

Alan

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 9, 2009 at 22:08:07
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Good review. There is another one in HiFi News Jan 10, with measurements. It trounces the Fireface 800.

You can buy the issue in Zinio.com online.

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 9, 2009 at 22:14:03
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In UK Prism Sounds sometimes offer sales items. It is worthwhile registering on their site. They invite you to roadshows too.

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 9, 2009 at 22:15:07
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For those who just want two-channel playback, I can still vouch for the Prism DA-2...... If you ever get lucky you'll find one used for "only" five grand........

My only criticism of Prism is lack of a budget line, like what Lavry and others offer.

 

very thorough, informative review, thanks, posted on December 9, 2009 at 22:27:12
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Alan,

You've done a fine job writing up your experiences with this DAC. I appreciate it when someone takes the time to provide such a detailed report.

Bill



my blog: http://carsmusicandnature.blogspot.com/

 

RE: Followup driver info from Prism Sound, posted on December 10, 2009 at 07:24:01
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Hi,

I received some information from an engineer at Prism concerning the fire-wire driver. He describes the drivers as isochronous, but since all audio transfer modes are isochronous, as far as I know they would be using asynchronous when slaving to the local clock, and possibly a PLL when slaving to the PC. Unfortunately, its hard to find information on their "cleverclox" technology. Their web site describes the problems with tradition clocking schemes, but doesn't describe specifically how Prism clocking technology deals with such problems. Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in.

Below is the response I received from Prism.

Alan

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Hi Alan,

Orpheus uses Isochronous FireWire packets to stream audio data, and these are synchronised in the sense that each packet holds a certain number of audio samples that arrive at a specific time. If an Orpheus unit is the clock master, conversion is performed according to the local clock. If an Orpheus unit is slaved to another unit, or to the PC, it still uses its local clock but derives the reference clock signal from the arrival of Isochronous FireWire packets.

In the case of DAW sync, the PC itself becomes the clock master, setting the rate of data transfer. This is a slightly absurd idea because no conversion happens on the PC. The reference signal inherently has more jitter than if Orpheus was clock master, and there is a slim chance of glitches due to data starvation. In practice, though, Orpheus is capable of rejecting the high jitter, and drop-outs that result from DAW sync are only an issue long after the limits of DAWs are reached.

The fact that DAW sync is provided at all is historical; it was thought during development that this mode would be necessary to change sample rates from within the DAW. However, this is not the case; you can change the sample rate from the DAW in any sync mode.

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 10, 2009 at 08:01:35
"I can't really consider the Orpheus as "transparent", because the the upper mids and high frequencies sound too good across too wide a wide range of recordings"

Sounds like it's just a superior converter to me :) As I've improved my converters I've noticed exactly the same thing, those old CDs start to sound very listenable. They're still not amazingly resolved but they just lose that awful digital grain and flatness. I don't believe for a minute that that grainy sound is recorded-in on the disc, I think it's an artifact of poor DA conversion.

Congrats on the purchase, sounds like a nice piece of kit.

 

RE: Prism Sound Orpheus review (long), posted on December 10, 2009 at 09:35:38
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"CPlay sounds fine also but I don't like waiting for the files to load up over the network."

I noticed the delays as well while I was using a 100 Mbps LAN. When I upgraded to a 1000 Mbps LAN this problem was cured. (I normally use the LAN only for backups, so the cPlay delays didn't really matter to me, I got the Gb connection so that I could do backup and restores at high speed.)


Tony Lauck

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How does CleverClox work?, posted on December 10, 2009 at 09:53:36
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Unfortunately, the Prism web site, product manual, or anything else I found using Google did not say how the "CleverClox" technology works. Perhaps someone has some technical information on how it works, not what it supposedly does.

Tony Lauck

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Ask Geoff Kait..............., posted on December 10, 2009 at 16:18:59
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RE: Ask Geoff Kait..............., posted on December 10, 2009 at 16:39:57
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We'll let the lawyers duke it out over the trademarks...

Tony Lauck

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RE: very thorough, informative review, thanks, posted on December 10, 2009 at 20:26:03
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totally agreed with you, Bill.

 

RE: Ask Geoff Kait..............., posted on December 10, 2009 at 23:49:20
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Sounds like digital sythesis.

But the principle is simple, clock cleaning/stripping of the incoming stream. This is consistently dismissed by 2-3 inmates here.

 

RE: Ask Geoff Kait...............measured jitter is v low, posted on December 11, 2009 at 05:56:00
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by HFN

 

RE: Ask Geoff Kait..............., posted on December 11, 2009 at 07:30:56
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It's not clear what they do. It could be some form of clock cleaning, but then the question is how do they do it without adding jitter above their local clock or without running the risk of buffer under/overruns. They aren't saying. Or they could be using ASRC, which will eliminate the jitter, for sure, but potentially adds other artifacts.

I don't know of any way to digitally synthesize a clock signal that doesn't add jitter above what one gets from a reference oscillator. That's not to say that it can't be done, but I've just not hear of anyone doing it.

There is also the question of how, if their jitter rejection is so good, that they output is still affected by the transport quality (even assuming bit perfect transport output).


Tony Lauck

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Orpheus for LPs, posted on December 11, 2009 at 08:23:36
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If you're into digitizing LPs, be aware that the Prism Orpheus
can be used as a phono preamp, via the "instrument" (Inst 1 and Inst 2)
inputs on the front panel.

See the 4th photo down the page at
http://www.10audio.com/prism_orpheus.htm
(Yes, these inputs are 1/4" phone jacks, not the
usual RCA jacks.)

Phono preamplification can happen two ways -- 1) using
the Orpheus' built-in RIAA correction, or
2) using the Orpheus as a "flat" phono preamp, with RIAA correction
being applied after digitization, via software such as Pure Vinyl
or Diamond Cut. See
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/123622-software-based-riaa-equalization-audiophile-quality-vinyl-archival.html

Automated click and crackle removal is reputedly most effect when
using a moving-coil cartridge into a wideband solid-state **flat**
preamp, digitizing at 96kHz, and performing click removal **prior**
to RIAA correction (in software).

Still haven't (yet) had a chance to try it myself, though.

 

Sea Change in Audio?, posted on December 11, 2009 at 09:54:19
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Alan,

Thanks for the well-written and comprehensive review.

It really blew my mind when I read Jerry's 10audio review on the Orpheus - in terms of the possibilities and features combined with sound quality. Your review is timely and useful because I am researching this device (and the Metric Halo device or Sonic Studio variants) now. I haven't heard either of these swiss army knife solutions yet.

If one of these boxes work for me, I could potentially replace in my rack:

1) Phono Stage
2) Phono stage power cord
3) Preamp
4) Preamp power supply
5) DAC
6) DAC power supply box
7) DAC power cord
8) Squeezebox
9) Squeezebox power supply
10) Pace-Car Reclocker (excellent device, btw)
11) Pace-Car linear power supply box
12) Pace-Car power supply power cord

with a one 1u box with a power cord. I'd also want a linear power supply box for the Metric Halo, to replace the standard offboard switching supply.

I'd also need a PC/Mac within 15 feet of the device. Now the PC is on the other side of the house connected to the Squeezebox via Ethernet, which is definitely more convenient.

I'd also have a whole bunch of additional features, including but not limited to:

1) 24/192 vinyl recording
2) pres for room correction mic
3) ability to play higher bit-rate files
4) enough outputs to play with digital crossovers if desired
5) higher bit rate room correction
6) ability to integer upsample 16/44.1 to 24/176.4
7) real time room correction with vinyl (if Prism routing to PC and back worked and PC software could handle it - Metric Halo might be able to do this in DSP directly on the box, not sure)

With the DSP plug-ins feature on the Metric Halo box that might give even more possibilities -- although most if not all of that stuff might be able to be done on the computer with standard software packages.

Jerry mentions one issue with the Orpheus that I want to look into -- the inability to use more than 45 db gain on the instrument inputs without noticeable noise - they are spec'd to go up to 65 db very quietly.

I can see one direction where high end audio is going: integration of features in small boxes at high bit rates. Even if these particular boxes don't satisfy an audiophile's needs now, there will be many more such boxes in the future...

 

RE: Sea Change in Audio?, posted on December 12, 2009 at 12:53:57
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"I can see one direction where high end audio is going: integration of features in small boxes at high bit rates. Even if these particular boxes don't satisfy an audiophile's needs now, there will be many more such boxes in the future..."

Not sure if there's a 'sea change', but I certainly agree that devices like the Metric Halo boxes ought to be seen in a more favorable light by the more adventurous audiophiles.

I use a ULN-2, and have for well over a year now. It sounds great, and as you say, is quite versatile.

good luck with your selection,
clay

 

RE: Sea Change in Audio?, posted on December 12, 2009 at 13:22:16
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Clay,

Thanks for the encouragement.

I do think there is a Sea Change coming. There will be a time when small feature laden boxes, running at very high bit rates, with high quality interfaces to computers, and using sophisticated software is a common direction for even non-adventurous audiophiles. Not the only direction, but likely the most common one.

So no, there isn't a Sea Change NOW. Right now there are just a handful of innovative audiophiles and a few companies participating. This trend isn't even close to the "early adopters" phase yet!

 

RE: Sea Change in Audio?, posted on December 12, 2009 at 13:44:13
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"This trend isn't even close to the "early adopters" phase yet!"

There's more buzz about this sort of thing at Computer Audiophile if you're interested.

clay


 

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