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Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023

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Posted on November 8, 2023 at 05:23:56
MarcL
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 Anyone going to CAF? I'll be there Friday and probably Saturday morning.

Fidelity Imports will have Magnepan speakers including the new 2.7X (debut show for this one!) and a couple others of the new X-mod speakers. I confirmed all that yesterday with the dealer. Suite 551, 553, 555, 557, 559 & 561. They will also have the Diptique speakers.

Magnepan guys (Mick and others, I assume) will be at the Fidelity Imports room.

Don't miss Theoretica Applied Physics (BACCH-SP) Room 549 ... amazing 2-channel spatial demo!

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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 16:24:40
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 Looking forward to reports from the show, I'm a regular at AXPONA

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 16:32:11
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 Yes, sorry we missed each other last April.

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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 16:35:12
timm
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 What is the 2.7x? This is the first I have heard of it.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 16:41:17
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 See post by 66mgb on 10/18
Cool news.

 

what about the protests in DC? You guys better be careful, many thousands there /nt, posted on November 8, 2023 at 16:50:55
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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 17:24:40
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 Ribbon tweeter - shorter than the one in a 3.7 - and all the crossover mods they have been talking about like air core inductors and matched capacitors and wiring stuff. I'll get all the details at the show.


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 17:25:41
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 Oh that's sexy.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 17:33:39
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 I don't think it has the XO mods by default, just in the "X" version. Could be wrong. I think the one they're taking does have them, though, assuming it's the one that Wendell measured. Mostly, it's an all-new planar driver which should perform somewhere between the 1.7i and the 3.7i, and the 40" ribbon as opposed to 60".

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 17:35:05
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 Damn, still want to hear the BAACH-SP. Hope they have it at AXPONA.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 20:15:55
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 Thanks for the thread grant...-

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 8, 2023 at 20:50:36
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 It's a great show and even better this year. Worth going to if you can.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 9, 2023 at 04:34:10
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 Hoatson just posted on FBook that he will have the i version with new trim design in room 633

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The protests will be nowhere close to CAF, posted on November 9, 2023 at 11:39:09
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 The CAF is at a large hotel in Rockville, MD, which is a suburb of DC but not even a contiguous one (Bethesda lies in between the border of DC and Rockville). The protests will be downtown in the Federal area of DC, not even close in any way to the CAF.

 

Still enjoying it., posted on November 9, 2023 at 14:34:22
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 I do wonder what it sounds like through Magnepans. The more directional the speaker the better the program works.

I never listen without it now. The head-tracking makes the sweet spot much larger. The narrow sweet spot was one of my biggest problem with ML's. I no longer worry about moving my head.

Also, I'm much more aware of how much the music was between the speakers before.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 9, 2023 at 18:39:26
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 Josh the BAACH-SP is awesome, I heard it last year at AXPONA. It while it did not go past 180 degrees to the front and sides for me. It was like 3D stereo, never expierenced any like it before. As to the cost, if you have to ask you can't afford it, I know I can't.

 

I have the Audiophile edition, posted on November 9, 2023 at 22:09:00
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 The SP is way beyond my affordability. $5,000 is large, but it is the best addition, other than speakers, that I can think of.

The best width I've gotten is about 160 degrees. But that is without any room treatment.

If you get a chance to hear it ask them to put on "Papa Was a Rolling Stone" by the Temptations.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 10, 2023 at 11:54:09
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 I'm sure it will be there. It is IMO the single biggest improvement in home audio since the invention of stereo. And it just got significantly better with the new room correction filter.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 10, 2023 at 13:08:14
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 Room correction filter, mmmm sounds very interesting.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 10, 2023 at 17:48:45
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 Room correction with head tracking using custom filters from in ear measurements.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 11, 2023 at 03:49:21
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I talked with Mick and others yesterday and I heard the 2.7i. Here's some very interesting info:


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 11, 2023 at 03:50:23
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And details on the X-Mod


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 11, 2023 at 06:47:09
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 They seem to be doing something with room correction too now. Looking for beta testers. I didn't get a clear understanding because the room was too crowded and I couldn't get back later. But it seems they're using Dirac now but will incorporate some proprietary DSP soon.

Having heard the system three times now, I still believe that the way I have my 3.7s in the Rooze configuration with diffusion in the room I accomplish much the same effect. In fact with some material I actually get 360 degrees. I just wish I could get some experienced audiophile in here to hear it in a somewhat blind test.


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 11, 2023 at 07:55:38
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 Very worthwhile improvements. Thanks for posting this.

Lack of skill dictates economy of style. - Joey Ramone

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 11, 2023 at 07:56:54
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 These price increases are breathtaking ...

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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 12, 2023 at 06:25:11
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 Yes, but this is what Maggie fans have been asking for. And it doesn't include improved stands. DIY and aftermarket is the cost effective way to go.

Regards,

Steve

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 12, 2023 at 17:36:21
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 Wow, Dirac and propriety DSP. Dang that's music to my ears, been waiting for Magnepan to do something like that for years. Bravo to whoever got that pushed through. Can't wait to hear the results, 2025 maybe?

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 13, 2023 at 04:58:39
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 To be clear ... I was speaking of the Bacch processor doing this DSP.

As for Magnepan, there needs to be DSP in the V woofer thing is they ever build it. I use Dirac with my system with 9 Maggies in the room and it works really well.

But it seems the marketing approach is, if people will pay $4000 for capacitors inductors and wire ... why bother with DSP? In fact the market for expensive passive components would no doubt reject DSP.


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 13, 2023 at 06:51:26
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 I haven't priced high grade inductors and caps lately, so if I think their prices for the X upgrade seem way too high, forgive my lack of knowledge on designer parts.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 13, 2023 at 15:33:47
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 I can absolutely believe that.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 13, 2023 at 15:34:46
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 I thought the Mac-based version was somewhat economical?

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 13, 2023 at 15:36:22
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 I've suggested a "Y" mod that would include DSP. No success so far, but I'll keep trying.

 

RE: Still enjoying it., posted on November 13, 2023 at 15:39:36
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 The impression I have is that it works well with Maggies -- just an impression, though, based on something someone said.

I've played with recursive crosstalk cancellation -- the ambiophonics project, where the BAACH filter got its start -- and it's amazing how much of the 180 degree stereo image is lost because of it. But without head tracking, it's just too dependent on head position.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 13, 2023 at 15:40:48
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 None of these are (were) the production version, which will have some tuning.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 13, 2023 at 19:04:20
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 Josh, you cam put in my vote for the Z model, which would also be actively powered. But in the time, just keep pushing Josh, for that DSP

 

RE: Still enjoying it., posted on November 13, 2023 at 19:59:01
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 It's not terribly speaker dependent. But it is room reflection sensitive. The directionality of any flat panel planar will offer the advantage of reduced side wall, ceiling and floor reflections.

 

Room treatment?, posted on November 13, 2023 at 21:49:40
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 Do you think you can achieve the same results with room treatment?

My understanding is that it reduces cross-talk between the speakers and the only way to do this without the program would be to put a partition (mattress) between the speakers.

And do dynamic speakers really benefit?

 

new filter, posted on November 13, 2023 at 21:55:08
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 Was that part of the new download?

I just got back in the country and had my computer savvy daughter install it for me.

 

RE: new filter, posted on November 14, 2023 at 02:52:03
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 Don't know. I'm in China working

 

RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 14, 2023 at 10:02:49
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 I do think reducing room sound helps reduce the conflict between the spatial cues of the listening room and the recording. But there is nothing conventional room treatment can do to reduce the direct inter aural crosstalk between the opposite speakers and our ears.

The mattress trick does work! But only to a certain degree. There is still substantial leakage between the speakers.

And yes, dynamic speakers definitely work with a he BACCH SP

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 14, 2023 at 12:06:28
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 Actively powered would be great! Someday, I hope they'll do it. But I think there would be a lot of pushback from audiophiles who want to provide their own amp.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 14, 2023 at 20:43:54
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 I heard it about 10 years ago when I was supposed to be the audio expert for a reporter(who it turned out was deaf in one ear) of a New Jersey paper. It was superb then. It's better now and more user friendly.

 

RE: Too true nt., posted on November 15, 2023 at 02:15:56
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RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 15, 2023 at 12:52:11
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 I've heard the Bacch SP a couple times. I do believe I achieve an effect very close to that in my room. Perhaps the same idea but a little different, but still spacious in a way I could not achieve prior to my current setup. Of course I don't get head tracking, but really that is a pretty sophisticated setup with the camera watching your face and actively changing the DSP.

So my setup is the "Rooze" with the 3.7 angled 45 degrees and pointing at very reflective side walls with the tweeter end of the speaker about 9-10 inches from the wall. Otherwise, I have a lot of Vicoustic diffusers on the front wall and the sides up to the edge of the speakers ...absorption on the ceiling at the first reflection ... then more diffusers overhead and a bit behind MLP.

With strictly two channel recordings in some cases I get sound wrapping above and behind my head.

I have done some measurements and I do believe the arrangement blocks some of the interaural crosstalk, in addition to making sure the out of phase rear wave is scattered and delayed a long time before reaching the MLP.




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RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 15, 2023 at 14:35:04
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 I'd have to hear it and do an in ear measurement to get some idea what's doing. First and foremost if you are digging it. That's great! Increasing the separation between the speakers does reduce the crosstalk because of our head transfer function. Unless there is a cancellation signal as there is with the BACCH the lack of head tracking isn't an issue

 

RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 16, 2023 at 09:15:17
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 I've experimented with Rooze and I think you're explanation is correct. In the absense of direct sound, you're listening to the first reflections off the sidewalls, meaning that the acoustic sources are a good deal farther apart. That, as you say, increases the width of the stereo triangle that's set by interaural crosstalk.

You're also delaying the first reflection (actually, listening to it), increasing the size of the acoustical space.

Ordinarily, when you increase the separation of the speakers too much, you get a "hole in the middle" effect. I believe that the reflection off the front wall mitigates that.

 

RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 17, 2023 at 14:20:19
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In my case the front wall is all diffusion and the big TV is 4ft out from the wall and the rear wave of the speakers is blocked from coming directly into the MLP area without being significantly delayed and diffused.

Is it possible that - as opposed to just placing speakers very far apart - the effect of blocking some or all of the interaural crosstalk with this arrangement is what eliminates that hole in the middle?

I can say most definitely there is no hole in the middle. Note the added baffle extensions on the 3.7s and the blocking absorbers.




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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 17, 2023 at 17:15:07
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 Wow. My 20.7. The investment that keeps on giving. They are over 50% more than I paid and the X version is 100% over. An 8k bump - wow.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 17, 2023 at 17:24:04
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 After my initial look at prices ...- were both stock and X models at show? It would need to be a dramatic improvement to justify 8k. That's basically an added cost of a 3.7. All based on 20.7 prices that is

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 18, 2023 at 02:52:22
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 I was there on Friday and all they had was a 2.7i. Sometime Saturday a 2.7X was in the room. I suspect (unconfirmed) that there was not an opportunity for comparison.


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 18, 2023 at 10:16:38
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 What were your impressions compared to the 1.7 or 3.7. And don't say 'about in the middle'. Lol.

 

RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 18, 2023 at 10:58:53
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 That's an interesting question. You don't get a hole in the middle effect with headphones, but with headphones, there's no HRTF and there are no micromovements of the head, so you can't isolate IATD as a variable.

But I think your speculation is a good one. Somehow, intensity or phase stereo is able to localize an object where the interaural time delay of the original object would be lower than that of the loudspeaker, but not when it would be greater. The fact that the arrival at the second ear doesn't come when it should is presumably one of the reasons that a phantom image lacks solidity. It seems that when the IATD is much higher than the object's location would demand, we get the hole in the middle.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 18, 2023 at 12:33:46
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 Actually, it's been 12 years since I heard the 1.7 but I listen to 3.7 every day. The 2.7 has the 40" ribbon and a bigger panel so it will surpass the 1.7 ... but not likely to approach the 3.7.

How did it sound? I would say nothing jumped out at me. It sounded good.

I really wanted to hear a comparison to the X but the X was in the truck when I visited.


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 18, 2023 at 12:53:14
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 Well that's frustrating.

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 18, 2023 at 12:55:00
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 The Listening Room is less than 2hrs from me ... so sometime in January I'm going to get a proper demo and report back.

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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 18, 2023 at 12:57:54
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 Thanks. Really looking forward to it

 

RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 18, 2023 at 19:33:05
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 Be curious if Magnepan has them measuring differently in areas of sensitivity or frequency response. The X version that is.

 

RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 19, 2023 at 05:15:44
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On this track of comparing to headphones ... the angle of the direct sound coming from the side walls in the Rooze makes them kind of "nearphone". This is particularly true in my setup where the tweeters are way back close to the wall and you have the mid-woofer panel and then my 2ft oak baffle extensions. All that extension blocks a lot of the mid and high frequencies from having a path to the opposite ear. So the crosstalk to the opposite ear is greatly reduced compared to normal speaker listening.

I started doing some measurements with a cork head and the Sonic Presence SP15 binaural mic a while back. I was going after another concept at the time. Now I want to see if I can isolate exactly what reaches the opposite ear, and the time difference. I think I can do this ... a Winter project!

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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 19, 2023 at 05:58:17
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 I think we would all be surprised at how much testing Magnepan has NOT done on these speakers. The market for certain "upgrades" has nothing to do with quantitative data.

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RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 19, 2023 at 06:29:31
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 Lol. You are an animal MarcL.

 

RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 19, 2023 at 06:34:43
MarcL
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 Oh well ... animal ... retired engineer ... same kinda thing, right? :-)


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RE: Capital Audio Fest Nov 10-12, 2023, posted on November 19, 2023 at 06:34:49
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 Well I know historically Magnepan has not done much in the way of measurements and upgrades. However - these measurements literally take their price and push the product into a new category from a pricing perspective. But that's my opinion. I think 20k vs 30k is a large differential and warrants ...- something on paper??

 

OUCH !!!, posted on November 20, 2023 at 01:48:07
emailtim
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 OUCH and OUCH !!!
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2022/03/30 Historical Records CENSORED

 

Those prices are outrageous! nt, posted on November 20, 2023 at 14:15:18
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RE: Room treatment?, posted on November 20, 2023 at 17:15:47
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 Now that will definitely be interesting. :-)

 

I would be very suprised the "X" versions are worth the extra big prices!, posted on November 26, 2023 at 17:22:18
DKC1
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 Nt

 

Oh the times they are-a-changin', posted on November 27, 2023 at 14:21:24
Green Lantern
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 (spoken in a old timer's voice:) I remember MMG's at $399, 1.6's at $1450, when I see the 1.7's at $5K I shudder.

Seems like everything has doubled post COVID, I"m sure raw materials are no exception.









 

Jeez give me a break!, posted on November 27, 2023 at 14:56:16
kentaja
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 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously this is WAY too funny!

I've listened to inmates on this board moan for YEARS asking Magnepan to make a premium version of their speakers. And I have mentioned more than once the reality of doing such a thing. It is going to be EXPENSIVE! Beyond material costs there are all kinds of other over head costs. Additional space for inventory, additional SKU numbers in their accounting systems, etc., etc.

Well now they have done it and yes just as I said it is expensive. This is a real company building real products not DIYer's, hobbyist that have hours, days, weeks to tinker around and modify their speakers.

And costs for materials have exploded. As an example Cardas binding posts costs have exploded since COVID. I am paying 4 times the price I paid 10 years ago. I can't beat up Cardas the price of Rhodium, as an example, has exploded it is more valuable than gold. I am sure all their other materials costs have gone up significantly as well. I could give you dozens of other examples for my material costs since COVID.

Those that moan about all of this show a lack of understanding about the realities of manufacturing and the huge increase in material, transportation costs.

 

This is a good post. It adds a nice touch of..., posted on November 27, 2023 at 15:43:30
MWE
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 rationality and perspective to the issue. Yes, the "X" mod is not cheap, for the reasons mentioned, and this should be a good incentive for people to do these mods themselves. If you're unable to do so, then that's what you're paying for, to have these mods done for you.


Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon

 

RE: This is a good post. It adds a nice touch of..., posted on November 27, 2023 at 16:07:42
kentaja
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 Thanks!

And I haven't even gotten started on labor. You know actual people that do this stuff? I know, I know they should do this for nothing. I mean come on minimum wage is like $7.25 hour right?

Look at the spec's they are quoting for matching of components. Wow! This takes time a lot of time. I doubt the typical DIYer is matching this way. Nearly impossible. Do you know many caps, coils, etc. you have to buy to match to this level of tightness? Perhaps they can get the supplier to do this for them but again that will cost money someone has got do this stuff.

Magnepan is an amazing company always has been. Rather that complaining about all this everyone should be rejoicing!

 

just sticker shock, posted on November 27, 2023 at 18:52:51
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 ....like most folks who own a car for 7-8 years and then wander into a new car dealership only to see a newer version of their car going for double/triple their original cost.

Not to give Magnepan any ideas but their 30x @ $55K seems like peanuts compared to the Wilson Chronosonic @ $300K

I had the opportunity to hear brand new MG 20.1 and Wilson Audio Alexandria's (both company's flagships at the time) side by side at my dealer back in 2002, the 20's were going for around (I think) $15K, the Alexandria's North of $100K. Not gonna say which one sounded better, both had their unique signature sound but if I had to pick one it would've easily taken the Maggies hands down and used the remaining $85K on gear.

I'm guessing almost 25 years later the margins for each company's flagships are still on par with today's flagships.









 

RE: just sticker shock, posted on November 27, 2023 at 19:39:56
timm
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 I hear the next president is going to bring down the price of Magnepans...-.

 

RE: just sticker shock, posted on November 28, 2023 at 04:13:10
kentaja
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 Yes people need to keep up with the times. It was the notion that Magnepan's pricing was 'outrageous' that got me laughing. It is not.

I stumbled into my local hi-fi emporium around 1980 and discovered the Magnepan. I had never heard or seen anything like them before. After a few more visits I bought my first Magnepan the recently released SMG. As I recall they were $395/pair.

In 2023 dollars that makes them about $1,300. The LRS at $995? A bargain.

I kept the SMG for about a week and decided I wanted a pair of MGIIB instead. They retailed for $995 or about $3.3K in today's dollar.

Beyond exceptional performance Magnepan has always represented exceptional value. Even with ever increasing material, transportation and labor costs Magnepan continues to maintain an excellent price to performance ratio.

 

That's funny! We should be grateful we have a "Magnepan Party" to vote for ;) nt. , posted on November 28, 2023 at 05:44:23
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 Nt.




Mark in NC
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it's not the price of Maggiesf that's the problem, it's the inflation on everything else and that's no joke /nt, posted on November 28, 2023 at 06:42:01
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RE: it's not the price of Maggiesf that's the problem, it's the inflation on everything else and that's no joke /nt, posted on November 28, 2023 at 07:02:45
kentaja
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 Inflation has been with us for a long time it is nothing new. Inflation only accounts for part of the picture.

In 1980 when I bought my first Magnepan inflation was a whopping 14%! And through out the 1980s it declined to levels that are about like today. While we saw a big short term jump in inflation, predictable given COVID, it just as quickly dropped and is still dropping.

Magnepan has done an incredible job over time staying ahead of inflation. 1980 SMG $395 retail would now be about $1295-$1395 retail and yet the LRS is $995.

 

I remember those days very well, posted on November 28, 2023 at 07:41:47
Story
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 I was at Rutgers and had to move out of the dorm because I couldn't afford it.

So I slept in my Volkswagen Van in the parking lot and took showers sneaking back into the dorms. It was extremely cold, but I survived. It sucked big time.

Now many people are experiencing Bidenomics. Consider yourself very fortunate not to have to experience anything like this, although it can also become worse. So far in the last year everyday has slowly gotten worse.



 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 28, 2023 at 16:49:17
timm
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 So you lived in a van down by the river? :). Sorry. That must have been rough. Did you get thru it?

 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 28, 2023 at 20:16:43
Dawnrazor
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 weird you are saying things are slowly getting worse this year when gas is at a yearly low right now and that means other things are trending down.

Cut to razor sounding violins

 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 29, 2023 at 11:44:56
MWE
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 Funny, the reason we still have some residual inflation is because folks are still spending money enthusiastically. And most objective economic indicators are looking positive. Your statement doesn't hold water. We have nothing even resembling a disaster.
Best of all, for us savers, saving money is now very worthwhile.


Mark in NC
"The thought that life could be better is woven indelibly into our hearts and our brains" -Paul Simon

 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 29, 2023 at 12:14:18
Story
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 in the lingo, my statement holds a shit load of water. I've gone from poor to lower class years ago to upper middle, then digressed to lower middle now.

Inflation can go to zero and the prices for most anything will not recede.

You don't know anything about my situation, or my neighbors, or my friends and what they say either. You can believe anything you want of course.

But you must live in a bubble, good for you



 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 30, 2023 at 03:37:01
Story
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 of course I did. It was the Livingston campus.

It was only for one semester but it was the winter. Damn it got cold at night but I survived and painted houses in the summer and got an apartment in Bound Brook afterward.



 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 30, 2023 at 03:39:28
Story
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 that's for me and others who are sharing the same thing. Middle class Boomer types.

The media is one thing, experience in certain places says another



 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 30, 2023 at 08:22:46
timm
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 Wow. We were pretty resilient as kids. And yes ...- I knew you weren't still living in a van...- stupid question on my part. :).

 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on November 30, 2023 at 21:15:39
josh358
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 In all fairness, the inflation was worldwide. It's now coming under control.

People assume a president has more power over the economy than he has.

 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on December 1, 2023 at 03:30:07
Story
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 please note that I did not blame the President



 

not to mention, posted on December 1, 2023 at 21:07:58
Green Lantern
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 high end gear in general which was once mainstream has now become specialized, esoteric products.

When I was 11 years old I remember drooling over hifi gear when seen in downtown department stores, catalogs and magazines.

Home theater systems once considered the evil step-child of high end audio has quietly exited stage left.

Fast fwd to today, it seems like today's kids are quite content with melting their eardrums with earbuds and blue tooth soundbars completing a perfect 180 reversion back to single speaker systems.









 

RE: I remember those days very well, posted on December 2, 2023 at 22:09:57
timm
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 Wow. We were pretty resilient as kids. And yes ...- I knew you weren't still living in a van...- stupid question on my part. :).

 

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