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Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards

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Posted on June 3, 2015 at 14:22:51
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 I find this thread, from another forum, and his subsequent posts, shocking.
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"Negative show report posts... enough is enough.

Lately the boards, and I mean all of the boards and the 'zines (as well) have been posting negative show room reports.

I believe this is the lowest of low behavior. It is frankly cowardly, if you don't have anything positive to say then why say anything at all. How would you like it if I was invited into your home and then publically bashed your system?

We all hear differently. We all have biases. By posting a negative report you are in effect elevating yourself as an expert and trust me, you are not an expert. Experts know why rooms have problems, experts know why components get mismatched. Experts know that certain music can make or break a room.

Do these cowards know how hard it is to setup a system in a hotel room in one day?

I've frankly had enough of this behavior.

Peter Breuninger"


 

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RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts the chaff should be quite, posted on June 3, 2015 at 14:24:14
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 What took you so long .... no excuse for bad sound at a show...

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts the chaff should be quite, posted on June 3, 2015 at 14:45:06
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 Some more of his infinite wisdom:

"We are separating the wheat from the chaff, those with the knowledge and those with an opinion. There is a big difference."

And King Peter fancies himself "an expert with years of experience with top level audio equipment..."

BTW, the Hi Royal Highness also claims identifies himself as a "Tier One Reviewer".

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts teir 1 expert status, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:00:11
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 Gary said it best ,


"My father told me that an expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing. - Gary Koh

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts teir 1 expert status, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:14:35
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 Now..THAT is good.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:17:51
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 ...having been to a lot of shows in my past I kind of agree with Peter.

Not so much that people who critique show sound are cowards, but perhaps a little clueless.

Getting decent sound under show conditions is not easy.

If the system sounds good or great under those conditions, that's what should be reported.

When good is it to tell a reader an audio product or system sounded bad at a show? Does that mean it is bad?

Think about setting up your own home system in a strange small hotel room with questionable electrical service a couple of days ahead of time and then invite your most critical listener friends over to hear it.

After moving to a new house, it took me nearly 5 months experimenting with a lot of moving things and room treatments to get my system to sound its best in the new room.

At some of the bigger shows like CES, the larger manufacturers are able to get much larger rooms which show off their systems much better.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:22:35
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 I agree with much of what you say.

However his tone was very condescending and reeked of snobbery.

And I just can't agree that you can report the good but not the bad.

Some exhibitors consistently get impressive sound at every show...so while it is not easy, it is FAR from impossible.

The fact is the "clueless" ones are often the dealers and manufactures themselves displaying massive speakers in room that is far too small and other absurd set ups.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:36:36
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 >The fact is the "clueless" ones are often the dealers and manufactures themselves displaying massive speakers in room that is far too small and other absurd set ups.>

So what's the point of slamming their equipment in the press?

Isn't it better just to say, "I've heard this sound better elsewhere."

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:39:50
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 The thread specifically signaled out show goers who posted their impressions on forums.

To allow only positive comments is beyond ridiculous.

And if the press is only allowed positive comments they are unpaid PR drones.

You need to rethink your position IMO.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:46:44
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 Well said sir. Well said.

roN

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:51:15
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 ...show fans should post whatever they want.

Reviewers should know better than to post really negative comments under show conditions because they probably are not representative of the product.

As I said, what purpose would it serve?

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 15:56:18
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 Agree..REALLY negative comments are uncalled for, but sound that is not as good as competitors or similar rooms should be noted.

In his thread PB says NO negative posts or reports are allowed. This is far too protective of an industry that already gets a free pass on over priced junk, trend chasing, and hype. Reviewers also need to make sure they do not become too close to industry players..it is not their job to "protect" them from "untrained ears" and the riff raff or any criticism.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 16:09:36
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 ...agreed.

But even then, when I was reviewing I felt it was my job to describe the sound of the equipment at its best.

So I worked hard to get it to sound better (placement, associated equipment, etc), but described exactly what I heard and how I got there.

If a component sounded bad enough to slam it, I didn't want to waste my time working with it, listening to it for hours and writing a review.

Every review criticizes something in the quality of music reproduction, but for some naysayers, if there's no blood, it's being too cozy.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 16:23:33
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 I don't think those who are reading show reports or online comments are looking for blood..just honesty.

These systems are being displayed in a public forum, not in the privacy of a reviewers home. That makes any system on display totally and fairly open to comments BOTH good and bad.

Wilson goes to every show a day or two in advance and takes measurements and consistently gets good sound. Just about every room using Harbeth speakers sounds impressive. Luxman/Vivid is always outstanding. So again, we all know about the challenges, but some who actually give a damn and actually know something about system set up pull it off.

Negative show comments put those those too lazy or just expecting fluff reporting on notice. It also potentially exposes those who are hocking overpriced junk.

 

LOL !!!, posted on June 3, 2015 at 16:32:19
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 DO the hotel rooms change much over the years?

Not really. Most hotel rooms with the bed removed are similar to an apartment, and so are the electrical conditions. It's not like the majority of exhibitors have never used a room like that before.

Breuniger actually does have a point though having heard his home system. It sounds just like the ones at the show.

 

RE: LOL !!!, posted on June 3, 2015 at 16:34:05
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 Interesting comment! can you clarify?

"Breuniger actually does have a point though having heard his home system. It sounds just like the ones at the show."

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 16:39:00
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 I am not a reviewer just an audiophile who knows what he likes. I believe negative reviews usually do little to describe the total quality of what is being listened to. All that you read in a bad review is what is bad about the system not what is good. So once a reviewer starts down the negative path I stop reading and dismiss the review. Also, what is a tier one reviewer. Does he have objective evidence that his hearing is better than mine or anyone elses. I believe in many cases they can sling audiophile nomenclature better than others (which can be really confusing in some cases) and they lose sight that not everyone has thousands of dollars to spend. I enjoy reviews that compare the costs versus the listening pleasure derived from the experience.

I found the quality of music and systems at The Show in Newport this year to be head and shoulders above last year. The tonal quality, the volumes, the clarity, and soundstages were outstanding in most cases. There were a few rooms that disappointed but not many. So, I would like to read a review by one of the tier one reviewers (whatever that means) of this show.

 

RE: LOL !!!, posted on June 3, 2015 at 16:57:02
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 Better not......

 

Maybe Not, posted on June 3, 2015 at 16:59:21
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 I would like to read what a review thought about exhibits at a show. I like it when they give a blow by blow account. No reason to beat up on the show exhibitors, however, unless there is some specific reason.

I think that if they are specific in what they dislike, then we all learn from it. I suspect it is hard to get things right under those circumstances.

I will note that many times I really suspect that equipment is new at these shows and, we all know, they require a break-in period!

Q.E.D. It is not easy getting good sound at a show.

 

RE: LOL !!!, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:00:46
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 ooops....worms..stay in can..lol

 

RE: Reviewer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:01:51
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 I've critiques many booths for the their poor sound, but have always strived to make beneficial suggestions also. I always wait till the room clears before making comments and suggesting changes.

In most cases my recommendations were taken gratefully.

But the truth is many sales staff can not hear anomalies, or may be afraid of making changes.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:01:52
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 Nicely said..and sensible.

 

RE: Reviewer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:04:00
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 That is a sensible approach. I don't think anyone wants to hear exhibitors embarrassed or shown up in a room full of people.

But if sales staff cannot hear anomalies..then...the whole thing is a joke isn't?

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:10:52
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So these exhibitors are in the audio biz - professionals. They purchase the space ahead of time and can plan for the set up, exhibition and demo. I think they should sound good.

If I do not perform well in my job, I expect critique.

Btw - I have never posted a negative show review. Only noted what was positive and memorable like the Dennis Murphy modded Pioneers I saw at last years CAF.
Gsquared

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:13:45
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 I think you got the gist of it. And I think most would agree with you.

Now there are things to take into consideration..like the quality of the power, an travel delays etc.

Being professionals they should be held to a high standard, but I also think everyone is naturally more forgiving in these environments but there is no reason to gloss over really crappy sound.

 

Shows can be very interesting, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:18:18
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 First major show I attended I was star struck.Then I began shadowing certain reviewers ( Ok, stalking them in a way). Then I would wait for their reviews and then compare what I heard to what they wrote up. Very different.

Lets face it, reviewers are merely human just like you and me. They do have one innate ability though: they can write better than we can

 

RE: Shows can be very interesting, posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:30:55
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 But PB's thread was about the notion that ANYONE who posts about disappointing sound at a show is beneath contempt.

Reviewers who hear things one way or the other at shows is all good and well. Remember, they are campaigning for review samples and they have working (too, close, IMO) relationships with these manufacturers and distributors.

 

We have great gear but....., posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:31:04
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 It sounds like shit at most shows.

A manufacturer and/or distributor/dealer has a duty to the gear and its potential customers to set it up correctly and make it sound good or at least not sound bad, come on. There are obvious and simple reasons often (but not always) that you can see or "see" by their omission.

Why have a showing of your gear if you can't make it sound at least OK, that is ridiculous! And yes it will take several hours to set up the gear and the room. Comes with the territory.

I know a manufacturer that installs outlets, AC regen and filtering/chokes, room treatments and so on for EVERY show. Those that don't can pay the consequences. The reviewer that wrote what the O.P. posted is nuts.


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RE: We have great gear but....., posted on June 3, 2015 at 17:39:27
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 Yes, good points all around..but...some rooms sound out standing...so is that luck??

 

however, glaring....., posted on June 3, 2015 at 18:34:52
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 glaring,objectionable designs and sound should be called out...
About 15 years ago I went to an audio show where manufacturer was introducing their first models here in the states....all above 40k..... And I would ask people if they heard the horribly tilted up lower treble, followed by nothing after 15 k (back then I heard all the way up to 19k...)
Everyone thought they were OBJECTIONABLY hot in the treble with no extension...
That should be called out.

 

I've reviewed Audio Shows and, posted on June 3, 2015 at 18:43:34
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 I think PB is correct, to a point. I posted reviews of 3 successive Axpona shows. I concentrated on what we liked rather than naming rooms and companies that did not sound good. However, I posted strong opinions about exhibits in general that did not sound good because they were poorly chosen for the exhibit room. Gross examples included many small rooms containing very large speakers. Boomy inarticulate bass tended to muddy the midrange and obscure the treble. I understand that exhibit rooms are not known for their sonics, so it should be expected that systems may not sound at their best in show conditions. We should all keep that in mind when visiting a show. BUT if a system is deliberately chosen (and many show systems are) without taking the sonics of the room into account, then I think the exhibitor should be ready to accept some criticism. PB 's opinion that the unwashed should refrain from criticism of show systems is misplaced. Maybe if the press actually addressed the issue, lay reviewers wouldn't have to ? But then that would be biting the hand that feeds- or in this case delivers the latest addictive dose of high priced new equipment on an indefinate loan.

The Internet gives a platform to anyone with a connection. Smetimes that is good, sometimes bad, but keeping an industry honest is always a good thing.

Best, Ross

 

RE: Integrated Amp for bedroom System, posted on June 3, 2015 at 18:46:00
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 If the mfg., the reps, the engineers and all the King's Men can't get a component to sound right, what chanve do i have? and wehat makes you think my rooms are any better than the hotels'?

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:02:04
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 I tend to concur w/ Peter.

As a productive mind-set, do not critique, unless you offer a viable solution to the problem.

 

RE: however, glaring....., posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:14:10
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 If you are suggesting that shows can be used as some sort of shaking out process I agree. But I would hesitate to condemn a product on on showing. If there is a consistently poor showing across several shows, and the product purports to be SOTA, it should absolutely be taken to task.

 

RE: I've reviewed Audio Shows and, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:16:49
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 Excellent post. Fair, and all sides are well represented. And informative

To your point about a mega, massive floorstanding speaker in a small room. Is this not just plain and simple common sense? What kind of idiocy is being practiced here? I have seen it hundreds of times.

 

RE: Integrated Amp for bedroom System, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:18:01
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 This point is lost on many.

However, in DEFENSE of these folks, they don't have the luxury of familiarity as you would in your own room. But your point is well taken here.

 

Peter is largely correct..., posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:18:44
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 However there is a difference between commenting on the resulting sound and attacking the equipment or the room. We're supposed to report on the sound that we hear and NOT cozy up to the manufacturers or the dealers. If the sound is good you report that - if it was poor you report that. Peter does indeed report because he gives out best sound at show awards which implies they sounded better than rooms that didn't get that award.

I've had polar opposite results of gear at shows, dealers, homes etc. YG Acoustics was downright unlistenable at one show where I just walked away (ditto KEF)- at a later show YG Acoustics was a top four room! And I ended up buying the particular KEF. Similar experience with MBL.

I understand in part the frustration he may have when some guy goes to a show and rips a piece of gear or a system when Peter knows that in a proper set-up the experience may be COMPLETELY different. You can argue with those knee jerk respondents on forums until you're blue in the face but it's not going to get you anywhere. In almost every case - the forumer did not bring their own music, they're unfamiliar with the system, they stay for less than 15 minutes etc. Not every room plays the audiophile quality discs they play music they happen to like which is often of the mediocre variety. Many rooms will play ONLY the elite recordings and don;t give a rat's bottom about the quality of the music. And yes I have been in rooms with the big name reviewers from the biggest two print magazines who just say "play whatever YOU like" And then grumble on their page about not great sound of the particular room when it's a piece of music the reviewer doesn't have a clue about and which may have recording issues the system is passing along through no fault of its own.

I have only met Peter once and we sat together listening to a system (with tape I believe) at CAS and I have not met too many guys THAT excited to be listening to stuff after all these use - the man is the energizer bunny.

I'd hate to be the dealers trying to set up perfection in a few hours in horrific rooms with stuff going wrong and no way to fix it once the doors are open and piles of people are coming in. Some guy requests Death Metal and you know if you play it 12 people will run from the room and you lose possible customers so you play Keith Don't Go and Patricia Barber on endless repeat until your brains fall out of your head because the recordings are nice and easy and not terribly taxing for the system.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:22:19
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 Absurd notion. So show goers should band together to help an industry supposedly filled with engineers, people with acoustical tech backgrounds, designers, and even musicians and recording engineers to tell them how to make their exhibits sound better? Laughable.

 

RE: Peter is largely correct..., posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:24:57
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 I don't know why you took the opportunity to blather on about all the cliche's audio shows are known for...as I said, this is all taken into consideration.

The point is, someone who is positioning themselves as an authority, and golden eared audiophile badge distributor is telling people what they can and or can't say in public forums, or in publications.

 

RE: Peter is largely correct..., posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:34:43
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 He is stating his opinion - criticising the criticisms. He is allowed to do that last I checked.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:38:46
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 People have a right to an opinion.... I don't agree with the opinion, but he has the right to say it.

I just hope nobody takes Peter's comments personally....

There is not much that impresses me at shows.... I wouldn't single out anything negative, but I will often state that only few rooms/systems impressed me.... I will single out the good sounding rooms, however. Especially the bang-for-the-buck stuff.

I will say this, shows are almost never an ideal environment for audio.... If I were to criticize anything, it's only the total disregard for the room/environment when gear is chosen to be exhibited. (For example, choosing speakers that take up half the space of a small room.)

 

RE: Peter is largely correct..., posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:39:24
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 Now THAT is hilarious..he is stating his opinion that nobody else can state theirs. LOL.

And on top of that, calling folks cowards and beneath golden ear status.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:40:44
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 Dealers put on the shows in most cases - these are sales people. Enginners are designing and overssing the building of the products.

The best approach is to take a sampling over several shows. Just as you sample a student's work over several assignments - everyone has the odd bad day and the good student might have had a brain fart and studied the wrong section.

There is a difference between saying room XYZ sounded bright etc versus saying - "man this brand was so hyped and it SUCKED when I went in there - they were playinfg some old scratchy record from 1929 and I listened for 3 minutes and man this brand suckS and anyone who likes it is a total fool." I'm kinda thinking this is the poster Peter is referring to and not the person who notes that the bass was a bit boomy.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:41:00
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 Yeh, I am sure the sea of "cowards" and unwashed masses with tin ears won't take his comments personally. LOL.

 

RE: Peter is largely correct...err Not ..... well , posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:42:45
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 Maybe on woo woo, not in the real world Peter is way out of line and i would expect you and others in that BS circle to say not, it's part of the game. Fact is poor show sound is nothing more than incompetence , if media would report truthfully there would be no need to promote from such a weak arrogant position.




 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:44:07
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 As I noted in another post, taking ONE showing and crucifying a brand is reprehensible.

Dealers are where gear is exhibited..it IS their DAMN JOB to make their rooms sound good and set up gear. The premise that they are not qualified to to this is a joke.

Perhaps this is why dealers closings were and are an epidemic. Who needs them if you are suggesting they can't even set up a few components and speakers.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:48:56
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 I tend to concur w/ Peter.- Sprezza Tura



Which part the wheat /chaff, the coward or the top tier reviwer knows best part ..


 

RE: I've reviewed Audio Shows and, posted on June 3, 2015 at 19:53:40
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 To be fair not every manufacturer/dealer gets the room they were promised. I remember the poor Soundlab guy in a mild state of panic that the very large room he ordered was not given him and he was stuck in the regular room with his massive panels that he was positioning at angles to get them to fit. He was putting up these little bell things around the room to help with the acoustics (IMO to no avail). And one room was forced at another show into a large room with those big Gymnasium dviders between rooms - they (I believe KEF) were pretty upset about it as they were specifically told there would be no shared situation - and yet that's what happened. It's very tough to then combat that situation in a day. Indeed many people ended up liking the sound of their KF LS-50 over the blade but the LS-50 was in a proper room for its size while the Blade was stuck in a gym with a fake wall and another room booming away. So the dealer is mad at the show organizer who is mad at the hotel.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 20:02:42
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 RGA,

The inner circle is crumbling , rare exception aside, poor show sound, are mostly from poor products , incompetence or both, there is no excuse for it, mega dollar items will have to deliver, squashing negative comments, unless totally and maliciously out of line is asking for censorship, telling the plebs to keep quite until the top tier speaks is way out of line.


Peter needs to make a public apology, His Youtube channel is a good place to start..

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts the chaff should be quite, posted on June 3, 2015 at 20:25:10
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 I think that might be better phrased as "Tier One Ass"

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 3, 2015 at 20:33:12
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 I agree with Peter. There are all sorts of problems in show set ups. Add to that the time spent is way too short. If a system sounds good it is good. But if it sounds poorly there are tons of reasons that it's not up to par. Good sound is good. Bad sound you really don't know. And many of the audio companies are small and an incorrect, hasty poor comment can harm a company badly. I've seen it happen. And the audio community can lose something that might be worth while. A critic or even an audio show visitor should wait until they have extensive experience before making negative comments in print.

 

Show reports are mostly for the pictures and news of new gear...., posted on June 3, 2015 at 21:12:29
AbeCollins
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 ...just like reviews and pictures in the audio mags and online reviews.

Call me jaded but I have nearly zero confidence in professional reviews in magazines or enthusiast reviews on audiophile websites. They're all best suited mainly to gather a list of features, pricing, specs, and photos. I've heard enough crap over the years that got great reviews to know better than to trust a reviewer.

I have to laugh when someone posts about such and such product that was "well reviewed". What frekin product hasn't gotten great reviews?

The real heroes are the reviewers who publish honest negative reviews. How many of those have you seen in your audiophile career? ;-)




 

Where does he say..., posted on June 3, 2015 at 21:23:42
mkuller
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 ...negative comments should be banned?

Aren't you over-reacting a little here?

 

"I've frankly had enough of this behavior." , posted on June 3, 2015 at 21:32:56
musetap
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 Fankly, I've had enough of his poor writing.

"Once this was all Black Plasma and Imagination"-Michael McClure



 

RE: Where does he say..., posted on June 3, 2015 at 21:58:15
Sprezza Tura
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 Really? Can you read?

"Negative show report posts... enough is enough."

"I believe this is the lowest of low behavior. It is frankly cowardly, if you don't have anything positive to say then why say anything at all."

"By posting a negative report you are in effect elevating yourself as an expert and trust me, you are not an expert."


"I've frankly had enough of this behavior."

"Peter Breuninger"

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts the chaff should be quite, posted on June 3, 2015 at 21:58:40
Sprezza Tura
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 Ouch.

 

RE: "I've frankly had enough of this behavior." , posted on June 3, 2015 at 21:59:28
Sprezza Tura
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 Funnily enough, I think he is a good writer. But an insufferable, pompous ass to.

 

I felt sorry for the Martin Logan guy at Axpona....., posted on June 3, 2015 at 22:38:44
Lee M
 Here he was with these Neoliths shoehorned into a tiny little hotel room. I don't know how he even got them through the door. I heard them when he had them at a huge store in Wisconsin where they had room to breathe and...

 

RE: and i think you're the coward and jumper-to-conclusions. [n.t.a.], posted on June 4, 2015 at 01:10:49
wangmr
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 .

 

RE: Peter is largely correct...err Not ..... well , posted on June 4, 2015 at 02:08:19
morricab
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 For once A. Wayne, you and I are in complete agreement. I am horrified by Peter's comments, which IMO reveal him to be nothing more than an industry fanboy.

See my response to his comments in the WBF.

IMO, it is the critics job to CRITIQUE what he hears. He can then speculate as to why (room, cables, moon phase...whatever) based on his experience but he shouldn't be afraid to state that the sound was not to his liking. He calls those who state openly opinion as "cowardly", which is totally looking at things backwards. It is keeping the mouth closed that is the cowardly route.

 

No he is not, posted on June 4, 2015 at 02:09:53
morricab
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 And as a "professional" he should know better.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 02:11:18
morricab
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 agree

 

{{{How would you like it if I was invited into your home and then publically bashed your system?}}}, posted on June 4, 2015 at 02:42:00
three_sox
 ...Firstly, I can't imagine I'd invited a pompous old windbag into my home.

Secondly, if per chance I did, I couldn't give a unadulterated flying foxtrot what some goomer thinks of me or my audio system, why would I?

People need to be honest, if a gazillion dollar set-up sounds like crap in a hotel room then that is exactly how the set-up should be described.

Self-important blowhards like Breuninger need to get a grip on reality and not take punters as complete morons. Making excuses for an audio set-up designed to sell to the public is pathetic.

 

What a steaming pile of BS., posted on June 4, 2015 at 03:36:15
b.l.zeebub
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 If I would invite someone into my home to listen to my system with a view to selling it to them and they bash it that is fair play.
It would be cowardly to deny them this opportunity and moronic to complain if they do.

Even if it were just a social visit I would welcome constructive criticism.
After all it would help me improve my system in areas which I might have overlooked.

Similarly magazines which only publish positive reviews are failing their readership and have no reason to exist. I can find the good stuff myself but it would be very helpful to be warned off lemons which is what I expect from reviewing magazines.

 

RE: Those comments make him sound very professional., posted on June 4, 2015 at 03:46:22
b.l.zeebub
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Provided his job title is 'chief advertising whore'.

 

RE: Those comments make him sound very professional., posted on June 4, 2015 at 03:52:43
morricab
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 LOL!

 

RE: "Tier One Ass", posted on June 4, 2015 at 04:03:23
b.l.zeebub
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 You missed out 'pompous'.

 

If I were going to exhibit at an audio show, posted on June 4, 2015 at 04:27:48
Dave_K
 First, I would only exhibit systems that I had personal experience with in my own shop or a customer's installation and that I knew to be well matched and synergistic. I would never take the risk of pairing gear for the first time at a show which I had never heard together before.

The next thing I would do is spend the bucks to secure a room appropriate for the speakers I wanted to exhibit. And if I could not, then I would select speakers appropriate for the room I was going to end up with.

Third, I would pester the organizers and/or or the hotel staff to get a plan view of the room I would be exhibiting in (or at least a representative room). Then I would plan out how I was going to arrange the room in advance, including speaker positions, seating plan, and where I would need acoustic treatments. If necessary, I would make adjustments to the system I was going to demo to better suit the room.

I would be sure to bring a selection of power conditioning devices that I could deploy as needed to address a variety of power ills.

Similarly, I would be sure to bring a variety of room treatments to be used if needed to deal with any acoustic problems that I hadn't foreseen when developing the room plan.

Ditto for cables and tuning devices - bring a variety just in case.

I would definitely bring a laptop, measurement mic, and software. I find it makes room setup go much quicker.

Last but not least, I would bring a high quality EQ as a last resort just in case there was a major issue with the acoustics that I couldn't deal with setup and treatments.

I'm no expert, but I think if exhibitors did all of the above, show sound would be a lot better.

In general, I think criticism is fair game. If exhibitors are unable or unwilling to do what it takes to put on a good demo in a hotel room, then they should stay home or accept the criticism they get. No more excuses.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 04:55:10
Peter Breuninger
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 I started the thread on WBF to be thought provoking and challenging, knowing full well the firestorm it could produce. I was intrigued by a poster who spent 15 seconds in a room and then publically trashed it.

I thought the post was cowardly.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 05:02:46
Dave_K
Reviewers should know better than to post really negative comments under show conditions because they probably are not representative of the product.


Well, a bad demo is representative of something. Could be a bad product, or an inappropriate product for the conditions, or mismatched products, or poor setup. Just because you don't know for sure how the various factors contributed to a bad demo doesn't mean you shouldn't comment on the demo.

If the critical press are only expected to say positive things, they aren't critical press, they are just part of the marketing arm of the industry.


As I said, what purpose would it serve?


To let people know how it sounded of course.

Secondarily, to provide some incentive to poor exhibitors to up their game. What purpose does a bad demo serve anyway? If an exhibitor is unable or unwilling to put on a good demo, then stay home or stick to static displays and literature.

 

RE: No he is not, posted on June 4, 2015 at 05:11:59
RGA
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 LOL - NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Don't get me started on that word "professional" again. I almost sneezed my drink reading that. Awesome.

 

Was he just trashing the sound, or was he ascribing blame?, posted on June 4, 2015 at 05:15:09
Dave_K
 I've heard some bad demos at shows and dealers in which there was an obvious glaring problem with the sound that took less than 15 seconds to notice. I'm sure you have too. It's not cowardly to say so.

It's a different matter if the poster is trying to blame a specific component for the bad sound after 15 seconds of listening to the system. That would be stupid.

Anyway, the net you are casting seems to be far bigger than needed to catch one errant post.

 

RE: Peter Breuninger responds , err, too little too late...... , posted on June 4, 2015 at 05:44:34
A.Wayne
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 Post 1 was a fail Peter , subsequent post regarding seperating wheat /chaff , leave it to the professionals and tier 1 professional reviewer pushes you into the extremely arrogant and insulting pool, at this point no explanation will suffice , your attempt to explain this away tells us you really haven't begun to understand the level of fail ...

Damn ....

 

Read his show videos before you comment, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:23:52
Frihed89
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 Commenting may not be worth your time.

 

RE: {{{How would you like it if I was invited into your home and then publically bashed your system?}}}, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:40:38
Sprezza Tura
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 Count me in as someone who could not give a toss about what someone else thinks about my system(s).

 

RE: What a steaming pile of BS., posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:41:34
Sprezza Tura
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 In complete agreement.

 

RE: If I were going to exhibit at an audio show, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:44:39
Sprezza Tura
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 ...your post lays out what anyone with a modicum of common sense would do.

You are spot and and the methodology you describe is exactly what professionals should be following.

As a matter of fact, they should tack your posts up on the wall.

Hard to believe this is not common practice.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:48:42
Sprezza Tura
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 Your premise has some modicum of merit..if you meant that someone blasting a room without really giving it a listen is not advisable..

But you posted in a self described "knee jerk", emotional way that really did not reflect well on you.

If you had been more detached and logically presented your case you may not have been ripped a new one on that forum.

 

RE: Read his show videos before you comment, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:49:55
Sprezza Tura
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 His concept is sound.

Execution is poor..production is wanting, and they come off as infomercials.

If he tweaked his process, it could be entertaining.

 

RE: What a steaming pile of BS., posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:53:55
b.l.zeebub
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 If I had met people like Messrs Breuninger and Fremer back in the '70s I'd have taken up fishing or RC cars as a hobby rather than HiFi.

 

{{{I was intrigued by a poster who spent 15 seconds in a room and then publically trashed it. }}}, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:58:12
three_sox
 .... I note you were so intrigued you failed to make mention of it in the thread you started in the other place.

You were painting with a very broad brush and there was no equivocation in your comments.

You can try to back peddle all you like or feign you meant something different but your comments were very clear.

Man up and own it or piffle away what little credibility you have.

Your call.



 

RE: If I were going to exhibit at an audio show, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:59:15
A.Wayne
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 Any professional demonstrating at a show would have the "show" system assembled and tested months before shipping , short of shipping damage , they should be aware of what they really have for sound and possible acoustic problems.

Way before PC geeks and software you actually had to know what you were doing , today, you can simulate to death any issues that could prop up and the acoustic treatment necessary. Electrical power will always be an issues 120 rooms pulling of the line at the sametime is going to produce issues and since more than Tice block is available today , there are solutions for most power situations, i think Living Voice puts a big effort into supply filtering.


A custom made fully regulate amp is a start for the mega dollar players, bad sound from a Milla buck setup is laughable and laugh we should ..




regards

 

+1 -t, posted on June 4, 2015 at 06:59:32
Sordidman
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 .

"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

RE: We have great gear but....., posted on June 4, 2015 at 07:01:57
Awe-d-o-file
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 No I don't think it is luck. I think w/o hearing a particular room one would assume it is a combo of quality gear, synergy between it, dealing with AC delivery, room acoustics and other things related to set up.

There is a way to set up most any room with decent gear to get good sound. Maybe not great but good to the point people won't think it is bad.


Of course a the wrong type (piece) of music, recorded poorly like most is, cannot be overcome by any system and can leave a negative impression.


E
T

ET

"If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking till you do suck seed" - Curly Howard 1936

 

RE: We have great gear but....., posted on June 4, 2015 at 07:06:41
A.Wayne
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 Good music selection is part of the process , all carefully chosen and quite possibly whittled down in the room to best of best, shoo away anyone asking to play their midnight special unless private demo..


:)

 

RE: What a steaming pile of BS., posted on June 4, 2015 at 07:14:11
A.Wayne
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 Fremer is actually good, IMO one of the few reporting on audio with any value, as always best to navigate around any reviewer personal Bias (s) ..

 

Right about now, I'm thinking your best strategy..., posted on June 4, 2015 at 08:01:39
Ivan303
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 would be to claim that there are TWO guys named Peter Breuniger posting about audio on the internet, and you just happen to be the OTHER one.






First they came for the dumb-asses
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a dumb-ass

 

RE: What a steaming pile of BS., posted on June 4, 2015 at 08:10:08
b.l.zeebub
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 I've only know him through his youtube vids.

I have not managed to sit through a whole one though.
Going by the first minutes by the end I'd be ready to take out a contract on him.

 

So, you admit that you were being a troll, while criticizing other trolls? , posted on June 4, 2015 at 08:47:08
Sordidman
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 How's that working out for you?

"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

I'll spring for cup of coffee for use of word "piffle", posted on June 4, 2015 at 08:51:36
Edp
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 Also that last sentence actually highlights the irony of the use of the word "cowards" by the individual in question.

 

I would be sure to bring a selection of power conditioning devices, posted on June 4, 2015 at 08:53:57
Sordidman
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 Yep........

Even though as an exhibitor, - prices are outrageous for many of these shows, - crap, - only a union member is allowed to touch the gear from the dock to the room. Shipping costs? insane, room costs? outrageous....

It's really hard, and many times it's debatable what kind of benefit a manufacturer designer is going to get.

And, - there are different types of shows. CES (for example) goal is not to "sell" your gear to the general public, - but to acquire dealers.

All that being said, if you're going to bother to do demos with an expensive system, - you better be bringing your own room treatments, and your own power source. You just have to do it.

"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

Sorry but the "Arrogant Price" that now dominates Audio products fosters resentment and sets high expectations, posted on June 4, 2015 at 09:01:43
Edp
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 When moderate at best performing units are calmly listed at "$125,000 each delievered" there will be strong vocal reactions to that level of Arrogance.

 

RE: So, you admit that you were being a troll, while criticizing other trolls? , posted on June 4, 2015 at 09:02:21
genungo
 All is permissible in Jihad.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 09:25:25
Todd Krieger
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 "I was intrigued by a poster who spent 15 seconds in a room and then publically trashed it."

Who knows.... He may have spent 15 minutes in that same room before you saw him......

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 09:34:45
Todd Krieger
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 My comment was more a concern over how large the thread became...... It was a sign that at least a few may have taken it personally. (I initially wasn't planning on responding.)

There is a fine line here..... I have no problem with people bashing products, but there are audio companies out there whose livelihoods might be crushed by one carefully placed and carefully crafted negative review.

 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 09:56:14
mkuller
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 >But you posted in a self described "knee jerk", emotional way that really did not reflect well on you.>

But it did on you?

 

He's not advocating..., posted on June 4, 2015 at 09:58:26
mkuller
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 ...eliminating the first amendment as you make it sound.

He's giving his opinion and he doesn't like the comments.



 

RE: Reviwer Peter Breuninger Asserts Those The Crtique Sound at Shows Are Cowards, posted on June 4, 2015 at 10:24:25
Tubegroover
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 Looking at his youtube reviews Peter reminds me of a voyeur. I don't mean that in a derogatory context but he seems, to me at least, focused on the asthestics of a product as much as how it sounds and MAY be unduly impressed by it's price tag. He seems a really congenial guy that TRULY loves what he does. On the other hand for him to call folks that are maybe less than fair, often times obtuse, in their comments regarding one particular room or another seems the opposite extreme of the the bashers.

First off I take with a grain of salt the bashers and the fawners but try to look for meaningful comments that ring true to me. I really don't get why he cares so much, after all, we live in the age of reality TV and instant communication. I KNOW putting together a musically engaging system in a short period of time and dealing with what you are dealt can be a daunting task, not left to novices. Add to that the astronomical prices of some of this audio fluff commensurate to their performance in these settings I certainly get the negative responses and wonder why Peter doesn't see this too.

I saw a couple of the rooms at this show that were 1,000K plus. As John Marks noted in the latest Stereophile it seems more a game of "Last Man Standing" and if a room that has components retailing at such astronomical prices can't get it right they sure don't get any sympathy from me. Bottom line, as always, read between the line.

 

I'd be mistrustful of any audio show audition, be it a good one or bad one, posted on June 4, 2015 at 11:07:50
genungo
 I'm unlikely to duplicate showroom conditions outside of any particular showroom.

 

RE: He's not advocating..., posted on June 4, 2015 at 11:42:52
b.l.zeebub
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 Sounds more like someone desperately trying to justify their existence by asserting an authority they haven't really got in the first place.

 

He has the same authority..., posted on June 4, 2015 at 12:02:10
mkuller
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 ...you do except he's a professional.

 

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