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REVIEW: Plinius CD-101 CD Player/Recorder

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Posted on June 16, 2008 at 10:44:16
Asrale
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Location: Colorado
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Model: CD-101
Category: CD Player/Recorder
Suggested Retail Price: $4750
Description: Single-box CD player
Manufacturer URL: Plinius
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Review by Asrale on June 16, 2008 at 10:44:16
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Background:

For the past 1.5 years or so, I've been looking for a suitable CD player for my system. Major preferences: solid-state (no tubes or hybrids), front-loading. Requirements: balanced XLR output, and a price under $5K (new or used). Reason for the XLR output being that I was going into a balanced system and was looking for a balanced source. CDPs I heard in this quest before the Plinius CD-101 include (either auditions at dealers or home purchases): 2005 Audio Aero Prima (before I decided against tubes), Primare CD31, McIntosh MCD-201, Ayre CX-7e, Accuphase DP-500. Also owned the Arcam FMJ CD33 for a good long while (~1 year) which I directly compared to most of the above. The reason I owned the Arcam as long as I did is because out of all CDPs I heard, I preferred its sound the most - it was a great "reference monitor" of sorts. Clean, fast, tonally very neutral - didn't overdo anything. Wide & deep soundstage too. So as I looked for a balanced CD player, I kept holding out that I'd find one that sounded similar to the Arcam.

System:

Power cords - Black Sand Silver Reference MKV (no power conditioner, directly into wall) on CDP, LAT International AC-2 MKII and Audience powerChord E (primarily) on amp
Comparison CDPs - bel canto CD-1, dCS P8i
Interconnects - Analysis Plus Silver Oval RCA/XLR, VH Audio Symmetry XLR
Headphone amplifier - DIY balanced Beta 22, $1.8K in parts (discrete design w/ MOSFETs) (and more info at www.amb.org)
Headphones - AKG K701 w/ SAA Equinox XLR re-cable, Audio-Technica AD2000 & W5000 w/ APureSound V3 XLR re-cable, Grado HP2 w/ APureSound V3 XLR re-cable

Listening CDs:
A Fine Frenzy - One Cell In The Sea
Alison Krauss & Union Station - New Favorite, Lonely Runs Both Ways
Jewel - Perfectly Clear
Laika - Good Looking Blues
Renee Fleming - Thais ("Je n'ai pas plus choisi mon sort que ma nature" and the Meditation in Act 2)
The Crystal Method - Community Service, Tweekend
Wynonna - The Other Side

Audition Time:

2 weeks (if this sounds short, please note that I listened for at least a few hours each night, often staying up late)

Initial Impressions:

I actually bought the Plinius CD-101 back in February this year and for a couple weeks compared it directly to the Accuphase DP-500, but since my headphone amplifier at the time was quite low-end (the HeadAmp AE-2), I'll spare the impressions there, but I will say even then I preferred the Plinius. I sold the Accuphase for a variety of operational & technical reasons (Japanese 100V model, NE5532 op-amps in analog output stage, balanced did not sound better than single-ended).

Just over 2 weeks ago I took ownership of a DIY balanced Beta 22 headphone amp, currently the most advanced design in headphone amps available (see www.amb.org for info), a fully discrete design. At the same time I also took ownership of the bel canto CD-1 and dCS P8i, which I compared to the Plinius, to find out which I would keep.

Initially, the three CDPs each clearly had a unique sound signature, and if there's one that immediately blew me away (for any one reason), it was the dCS P8i. The P8i's soundstage was by far the widest I've heard to date, at first I wasn't even sure the virtual front/center was there, because everything that was left and right was WAY into the left and right drivers of my headphones. Once I got over that, I found the P8i to have an excellent tonal balance - not too much treble or bass, and the mid-range was nice and full (but not overly so). (Caveat: I was listening to the P8i with a computer-grade AC power cord, my Black Sand did not fit into its IEC receptacle.)

The bel canto CD-1 took a more laidback seat than the P8i, with a softer tone and generally a more "distant" feel to it. In terms of soundstage only, this one sounded more like my Arcam FMJ CD33, as it had the sound of a seat in the back of a concert hall and letting you the listener walk around in it to explore the stage yourself. I found the CD-1's frequency balance not nearly as nice as the P8i's though - there was somewhat of a snarl in the lower treble that brought out the gnash of metallic sounds, and the mid-range wasn't quite as fleshed out as on the P8i. I also found it to have a light roll-off in the bass, as it didn't exude that much power at the bottom, though it did push plenty of mid-bass for good thump and impact.

The Plinius was the one that really caught my attention after the P8i though. The first thing I really noticed about it was a blinding sense of speed - not slow at all, the very opposite! It blew through the bass notes on my electronica CDs with no sign of sluggishness - just tight, clear, and extremely well-articulated rhythms. And it was very fast in the mid-range and treble too and brought out previously unheard details like whacks or tinks or the physical movements preceding an instrument's note. More than once I got the sense of air moving behind an instrument, or around one.

Extended Impressions:

After a couple days with the LAT International AC-2 MKII on my Beta 22 amp, I switched the power cord to the Audience powerChord E. I suspected I'd get better results with it, and I did. The Plinius opened up even more with more apparent detail, as in increased treble bite and a slight expansion in soundstage depth. Voices and instruments were also more clearly in focus.

I put the Plinius up against some of my reference CD tracks to see how well it could handle various aspects. I first put it up against Laika's "Widows' Weed" from Good Looking Blues to see how well it could sort out multiple concurrent layers moving around in the soundstage and it definitely passed, it easily tracked the moving positions of those layers and accurately tracked the rhythmic bass line at the same time.

I also used Alison Krauss to check how realistic its soundstage was, along with how well it could handle AK's voice and the speed of the band, and it easily caught up there too. It brought tons of dynamic swing to the band and made them sound like they were really enjoying themselves, and of course it didn't miss anything that I could tell as far as how fast they were playing (as in the banjo, specifically). AK's voice didn't exactly come across as sultry though, which it kinda did on my former Accuphase and the P8i - it was much more in the vein of being clear, crystal, and higher-tuned.

If I've already made a case for the speed of the CD-101, well I just can't overstate it, it's by far THE fastest-sounding source I've ever heard. The agility it has in dancing through complex rhythms, lines, and layers, regardless of where in the frequency spectrum they are, is really just a marvel to listen to - it makes you sit up and pay attention. It's like the speed of a racquet ball bouncing around with a non-stop relentlessness.

If this speed makes it seem like the Plinius has a "forward" type presentation, well it doesn't. It's not laidback, but somewhere in between, that makes it sound direct and assertive, but not necessarily in-your-face. It is certainly engaging-sounding, but unlike other CDPs I've heard like the Ayre CX-7e, it's not the kind of sound that really calls attention to itself.

I've also found the Plinius to have a razor-thin articulation, implying that its treble extension is right up there, and it certainly seems to. It's never missed the attack of any note, regardless of how fast a note might run into a next note.

The only real sonic complaints I might leverage against the CD-101 is that its sound could potentially be fatiguing long-term, if you don't like your music to sound like it's always running, per se. I did find both the dCS P8i and bel canto CD-1 far more pleasant to listen to in this aspect, they were much calmer, nowhere nearly as hyped up. It could certainly be said that the CD-101 is a bit tightly wound up and probably significantly tilted towards the treble. It could also be said that the CD-101 is also a bit "thin" in the mid-range as well. I also prefer that, at least for a source component, as I prefer to add mid-range emphasis at the interconnect, amp, or transducer stage. So it's a very solid-statey sound, and true to this, the CD-101 sounds very clear and distinct at all times. It unleashes volume very well too - very dynamic and intense if the recording calls for it.

As my previous reference was the Arcam FMJ CD33, I'd call the Plinius CD-101 the CD33 on steroids - a loss in overall gracefulness but an overall increase in speed, guts, and driving power. If the Arcam is like a figure skater, the Plinius is more like a fast, lean hockey player.

Of course this is only how I've heard the Plinius. I recommend anyone considering a purchase to audition before buying, if possible.


Product Weakness: Tonally un-balanced, prone to fatigue
Product Strengths: Frequency extension, speed, soundstage width & depth


Associated Equipment for this Review:

Amplifier: DIY balanced Beta 22 (headphone amp)
Preamplifier (or None if Integrated): none
Sources (CDP/Turntable): bel canto CD-1, dCS P8i (comparison)
Speakers: AKG K701, Audio-Technica AD2000 & W5000, Grado HP2
Cables/Interconnects: Analysis Plus Silver Oval XLR, VH Audio Symmetry XLR
Music Used (Genre/Selections): electronica, bluegrass, prog rock
Time Period/Length of Audition: 2 weeks
Other (Power Conditioner etc.): Black Sand Silver Reference MKV
Type of Audition/Review: Product Owner


 

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All of which is fine.., posted on June 16, 2008 at 23:22:51
PAR
...but I would also have to bear in mind the reports posted here over the past few months of the total lack of communication/support from the company as currently owned. What if one needed service?

 

RE: REVIEW: Plinius CD-101 CD Player/Recorder, posted on June 17, 2008 at 00:25:26
dnnaudio
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Location: SE Asia
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it's interesting how people's taste could differ. in my case since i've got a plinius integrated amp the cd101 had the benefit of brand synergy. also from where i am located the dp500 was almost twice the price of the cd101 so i wanted to pick the plinius. but even with the brand synergy advantage IMS the dp500 was at least a league up in performance. no doubt the cd101 is excellent and i'm speaking only in relative terms, but IMO at least IMS it did not match the top to bottom tonal accuracy and balance of the accuphase. both are very well built. i also liked the simplistic, minimalist styling of the plinius CDP.

congrats on the cd101, i suspect it will give you many years of pleasure.

 

RE: REVIEW: Plinius CD-101 CD Player/Recorder, posted on June 17, 2008 at 08:06:54
Janek
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I own Plinius 9200. I had a problem with it and I wrote to Plinius Audio but never got any answer. Customers service sucks.

 

Plinius Customer Service..., posted on June 17, 2008 at 08:17:45
Audio Pharaoh
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Hi Janek,

I completely understand one's frustrations when emails go unanswered. I personally never rely on emails and would always use the fone when an email goes unanswered for a couple of days. Try calling them.

AP

# The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men # Jules Winnfield(Ezekiel 25:17)>Pulp Fiction<

 

RE: REVIEW: Plinius CD-101 CD Player/Recorder, posted on June 17, 2008 at 10:41:17
bjh
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They're sold via distribution/dealership aren't they?... why would you be attempting to contact them directly?


Everything matters, don't forget to tweak your placebos!

 

Comment from owner of one of the comparison players..., posted on June 17, 2008 at 12:24:14
bjh
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I think your comment on the Bel Canto CD-1 are for the most part fair, only I would stress that the back of hall perspective is something that one notices more so in direct comparisons vs. in normal listening.

This was noted for example when comparing the CD-1 head to head with a Simaudio Moon SuperNova player, the CD-1 seemingly more reserved to the bigger/bolder sounding SuperNova. However even there I preferred the CD-1 for greater subtlety and finesse, and that look into quality you mentioned. Also I want to say that I have not... nor did my listening buddy who eventually went the over the top route in getting the Moon Andromeda after our SuperNova/BelCanto CD-1/Andromeda comparisons... experience any overt negatives such as the "snarl in the lower treble" you describe.

However the point I'm getting at is not so much a defence of the Bel Canto CD-1, true I'm a very satisfied with it, but such a defence would be wasted effort in any case as the unit is basically unobtainium; Bel Canto produced on a single production run and then shelved it in favor of the new half-width chassis products which define their current corporate direction. So what is it?

Basically I say one need to be very aware of their sonic priorities when comparing even top of the food chain CD Players. The "boldness" factor tends to draw attention in such comparisons so the listener is well advised to reflect on long term needs ... is that what I want? can I live with that? is it something that really benefits the music? will I get tired of it? will I bug me over time?

In fairness your review did address some of these questions, I merely wanted to add to a job well done.

ps.

Recently a chance to hear an all Naim system (CDX2, 202 w/Hicap, 200) driving Totem Forest speakers. Now there was a system "on steroids" if I ever heard one! One commenter on my impressions suggested that the CDX2 was known to push even already upbeat sounding Naim systems into overdrive. I wonder if you've ever heard the CDX2, and if so would you rate the CD-101 at a similiar level of "on steroids"-ness?





Everything matters, don't forget to tweak your placebos!

 

Exactly! NT, posted on June 17, 2008 at 15:18:15
lancelot
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NT

 

RE: REVIEW: Plinius CD-101 CD Player/Recorder, posted on June 17, 2008 at 22:32:25
PAR
One reason why you would need to contact them is when your local distributor has dropped the brand as has happened here in the UK ( although I see that a replacement has now been found). Not every company has agents in all territories. Janek is in Poland and no distributor for that country is listed by Plinius. So for any information/service he has to contact them directly.

 

The UK situation seems pretty straightforward, one, posted on June 18, 2008 at 03:40:55
bjh
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would contact the new distributor.

As for "Janek is in Poland" I wouldn't want to comment based on the scant info you have provided.

Everything matters, don't forget to tweak your placebos!

 

RE: The UK situation seems pretty straightforward, one, posted on June 18, 2008 at 10:16:39
PAR
Janek is in Poland like you are in Toronto. How do I know that?

 

Who is on first! nt, posted on June 18, 2008 at 13:01:37
bjh
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Everything matters, don't forget to tweak your placebos!

 

Now you've lost me n/t, posted on June 18, 2008 at 14:05:24
PAR
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