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Posted on November 8, 2011 at 08:16:20
chrismercurio
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I am writing to ask about the "sound" of the Amity. Can anyone that has built or heard one describe the subjective qualities?

Best,

 

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RE: Amity Amplifier, posted on November 10, 2011 at 17:20:23
pushpulltriode
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I started building the Amity since year 2000 and has made some changes when Lynn Olson (nuthifi) website updated toe circuit (since the Amity circuit has changed frequently between Y2K and 2006).

The amplifier requires tremendous amount of gain and voltage from preamp, you have to make sure your preamp has enough gain and voltage for this amp. To make you safe, better above 25db of gain from your preamp and the output voltage is high enough.

NO matter which version of Amity, it needs both high gain and voltage from the preamp. I finally go to the Karna, yes, it sounds better. Smoother and more drive to the sound, and dynamic contrast is improved. However, one thing I don't agree with Lynn Olson is putting 300B push pull amp and mate with very sensitive horn speaker. It sounds a bit edging on several different horn systems (from Western Electric type to Homebrew electromagnetic system). Maybe his Avangarde behave differently.
However, I insists a good 300B / KR300XLS in SE type circuitry after so many years of work on DHT push pull. But I never give up, still working on a high power push pull amp with group of my friend, well....211 at the output this time.

Back to what you're asking, how it the Amity sounds like. The Lynn Olson Amity can behave like a good SE amplifier in few areas, such as quickness, transient speed and clarity, this is a lot do to the transformer coupled. However, it has better dynamic range than the SE, but no free lunch, the push pull circuit kills the "immediacy" that I really enjoy with the SE amplifier, especially low power 300B or PX25 or even 45!!!

I have came across so many different 300B and other DHT push pull from manufacturers around the world, it can be a Cary 211 PP, Chinese made MingDa, World Audio Design (designed by Andy Grove for HiFi World magazine) transformer coupled 300B kit , Uesugi 300B, VAC Renaissance series 300B that received highest praised from TAS HP during 90s, etc.

Not many 300B push pull sounds really good, and one of the best sounding 300B push pull is the one from Scandinavian called LA audio (LA is the initial of the designer name, not Los Angeles) that has toroid output transformer!!

Few things you have to consider before building the AMity or Karna, the part choice that Lynn Olson settled is for his system and doesn't mean will work on yours. A proper power supply capacitor choice, interstage transformer and output transformer for the Amity or Karna should be caution. The Lundahl amorphous irons is pretty good, and I have tried their phase splitter input transformer couple years ago for my 211 push pull project with great result. I like the sonic character of both Hashimoto output transformer and James interstage transformer. As far as power supply capacitor, you should go for either Continental type A or Blue Line cap from ASC. But you won't go wrong by having all the way Lundahl amorphous core!!

In conclusion, all I can say a well designed KR300BXLS driving by WE 437A via transformer coupled with 2 x 300B or 274B as rectifier blew away the 2 x 300B in push pull circuit. Unlike a decade, it has pretty efficient loudspeakers existed nowadays for low power SE type, take a look at the electromagnetic type horn system.

THis is 100% personal opinion.

 

RE: Amity Amplifier, posted on November 8, 2011 at 22:33:52
Jim Doyle
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I lent these out to someone for several months while he was chasing a
Counterpoint repair... He said it was the "cleanest most holographic amp he's ever heard" - but it didnt have enough power for his needs so I also had to lend him some Snells. Another person who has an apartment at the house I lent these out at also noticed immediately - when he entered the room - that everything on the stage (a Dylan recording) was cleanly separated. I would call the amp "neutral" - no colorations - which I find I actually enjoy, and when it comes to listening to folk/country, I like the single ended amp more... Bass is very impressively controlled too.

I built an Amity with a few small modifications. For one, I used
Magnequest MQ565's -- all Nickel core. Got a great deal on them so in
they went to the build. Like Lynn, using the LL1660S/PP, an Sowter L3575
input TX, and ECC99s. Unlike him, I'm only using CCS to feed the interstage for the driver tube. The output stage cathode float Class A biased with an unbypassed resistor, but - a oil cap for the Western Electric coupling point. My biggest variation is that I am not net using
Real 2A3's. I'm cheating and using 12AV5GA's strapped as Triodes - which operate very much like 2A3s. My build was done on a very limit space
budget - these amps are small because ALOT of stuff is cleverly tucked underneath! (See the flickr site)

Expensive project... But for PP - with the right speakers, it's worth
the expense! Not much complexity to it though.. Pretty easy to build!

-- Jim

 

RE: Forget the Amity, posted on November 10, 2011 at 15:59:43
deafbykhorns
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I enjoyed the 845/811 designs you did using the 866 MV rectifiers
Absolutely sweet!!

 

RE: Amity Amplifier, posted on November 9, 2011 at 14:38:46
dhieber
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Jim, good to see you here again. How do push-pull 12AV5s compare sonically to push-pull 2A3s?

 

RE: Amity Amplifier, posted on November 9, 2011 at 20:34:06
Jim Doyle
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Your name rings a bell.... Did I meet you back in 2002-2003 timeframe
when I was living in Western Mass? Are you the same Dan who worked at
an Audio store in Northampton but then ended up working for Sovtek?

I don't know how they compare because I haven't put 2A3s in them yet. My
12AV5 route came about only because an old TV store was throwing out boxes
of tubes and by the time I got there - it had been heavily picked through.
I got 20 new 12AV5s though. On tubelab.com - several people there spoke
well of 6AV5GA in Triode.. There is an a history of Sylvania strapping plate to G2 and selling these to the military as 6B4G's ! Maybe I am
the only person to build Amity's and use such a cheap tube... Someday I'll probably buy a quad of 2A3's and some new filament transformers and do it to it.

To my crazy preferences, I still like the colorations present in my low-voltage 845 amp. The bass is better with the Amity's though - hands down.

-- Jim

 

RE: Amity Amplifier, posted on November 10, 2011 at 12:33:43
dhieber
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Location: Illinois
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Sorry, no. We've corresponded via e-mail and your posts have influenced some of my projects over the years. I asked the question because I'm tempted to try 6AV5s in a project where I originally intended to use 6B4Gs. I haven't ordered tubes yet, but reports concerning the sonic performance of 6AV5s seem to be mixed. It is a pretty robust tube, however, so one can use higher plate voltages than for the 6B4G.

 

RE: Amityville Amplifier, posted on November 8, 2011 at 13:39:33
soldermizer
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Isn't this the one that, even when powered down, whispers "Get out!" when you turn it on? No wait that is the Amityville amplifier.

The real horror is my sense of humor.

 

RE: Amity Amplifier, posted on November 8, 2011 at 12:37:42
Jim Womble
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Location: Tennessee
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I have built both 2a3 and 300b versions, both with Lundahl iron in signal path. They are very good amps. The use of audiophile adjectives is a waste, simply too subjective. Two points to consider, 1 is they need a low impedance drive source. I use a "Raven" style line stage, also with Lundahl iron, and it drives them easily. The 300b model needs around 5 volts, the 2a3 needs around 3 1/2. The second point, especially with the 300B version is getting them quite enough. My speakers are around 100db eff, and with around 1.5 - 2 mv hum, I can hear them from my seat. Shouldn't bother me at all, hell there is more ambient house noise than that, but it bugs me. I listen to se amps most of the time, but I will occasionally get the Amitys out, they never disappoint! You will need to make sure you have good section matching on your driver tubes, mismatch is very noticeable. I use Ecc99, and went through several to find a good pair (measured for balance in circuit).

 

RE: Amity Amplifier, posted on November 8, 2011 at 11:48:21
dhieber
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Location: Illinois
Joined: November 17, 2000
You might ask over at the K&K sponsor forum here on AA. I believe a number of builders have posted there.

 

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