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I just came across a new dealer here in Denver called Sjöfn HiFi, who had some interconnects I was interested in trying. When I first entered the building, I noticed an odd looking pair of monitor speakers set up directly against the front wall, with some very modest equipment, but didn't think too much of it, other than this guy doesn't know how to properly set up a pair speakers. After concluding the conversation about the interconnects I was interested in, Orion, the owner of the store asked if I'd like hear anything on his system, I replied yes, but was quite unprepared for what I was about to hear. The Guru speakers sounded much better than their small and odd appearance would've suggested, and the more I listened, the more impressed I became. In fact, when the listening session was over, I was completely blown away. Of all the shows I've been to, and of all the speakers I've listened to, there has not been a single one that has impressed me as much as these squatty looking boxes. In the past I've heard a few speakers that might do a few things better than my custom designed pair of line array speakers built by Selah Audio, but nothing that made me think that they had a chance of replacing them, until now. And this from a two way mini monitor that uses a single 4" midbass driver and a 1" dome tweeter. All I can say is, there must be some serious engineering behind these funning looking boxes. They had the coherency, tonality, and soundstaging of a pair of Quads that I heard at an over the top engineer's house, who had treated every square inch of his listening room, with varying sound treatments, and was using a Tact room correction preamp. But the Guru's played louder and with better dynamics and bass. If these speakers were selling for a gazillion dollars, then I'd say, well they should sound this good, but they weren't. I guess they used to sell for around $2,000 but with all the buzz around them and the weak dollar, they're now selling for $2,695. Besides sounding like a point source, and having one the most realistic sounding midranges I've ever heard, they had clean strong bass down to 30 hz. A large part of this is because they take advantage of the sound reinforcement brought about by being designed to be up against the front wall. A plus if space is at a premium in your home. Another quality of the Guru's that would make them a plus for a lot of people, is the fact that they are very forgiving of upstream equipment , and poor recordings, but they didn't seem to give anything up in terms of detail, transparency, and resolving power. These speakers got more things right than 95% of the speakers out there that I have heard, and for under $3,000. Color me impressed!------------------------
Recovering AudiophileBorn again music lover.
- http://www.sonicflare.com/archives/guru-qm10-speakers-review-by-robert-learner.php (Open in New Window)
Edits: 06/02/08 06/02/08 06/02/08 06/02/08Follow Ups:
Missed this thread only by a year! Anyway, the pic at the top was taken in my living room, I wrote the review. Am listening to the QM10s as I write, powered by a Primaluna Prologue 2 integrated. I'm still impressed with the speakers.
There's an outside chance I might get a pair of QM60s review. Will report back if confirmed. A mkII version of the QM10 and I may well get a pair of those in.
Just thougth that someone should post a picture of the Ino Audio piP, the ancestor of Guru QM10, that has been around for 15-20 years. Those two speakers are the same.
(Ino Audio is the brand that the designer at Guru has run for 30 years.)
In this thread there are alot of different Ino-speakers. For instance the Ino Audio pi60s, the equvivalent to the Guru QM40... http://www.faktiskt.se/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=8994&list=full
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Recovering Audiophile
Born again music lover.
Just a short notice about the piP. The elements might look like standard Audax and Vifa, but they aren't. Only some bits of the chassies are the same.
Looks easy to clone to me. Off the shelf at PE?
No, you can't clone these. The drivers are special versions of standard drivers, but the changes are quite significant in most respects.
Some of the drivers used in this speaker range can indeed be bought from the box mfg, but not very cheaply.
So you're better off buying the full system.
Wait until you hear Guru QM60. I have listen to the "twin" ot that one, Ino pi60 and if you like QM10, you will LOVE the QM60. I prefer that one over something like B&W 802D and, well any other speakers I have listen to during the past 20 years.
I got a Ino system with tops and subs (passive) and, well, its the best I have heard.
Funny you should post.... Im sitting here demoing a pair right now (with the help of Joni Mitchell's "Turbulent Indigo" at the moment) . I must say, after 24 hours with them, they have left me more than impressed. My only complaint is the bass, but its not the speakers fault. It's tight and tuneful, but its a bit to much for my small space. I think i can tame them a little though. A tone test has it solid to 30 in house and at 23 its still there ..just They are very smooth and lively and that is not a contradiction. The tweeter is about perfect for my ear, sweet and extended but not a hint of harshness. They can even handle my torture CD, U2's "Joshua Tree" bought in the 80's that drills a hole in my eardrum.....its very tolerable with the Guru's. Yet i have never felt i am missing anything, there very detailed. Mids are smooth yet with body and very real/ natural. At the moment Joni's voice has a weight and body i just haven't heard in any of the other monitors i have auditioned.. I have been somewhat pre occupied with the bass over the last 25 hours because its just plane weird to have so much and such good a bass coming out of such a small box, but this after noon the mid's and highs have one me over.. really nice. I have auditioned a lot of monitors or monitor sub combos in the last month in home, a few floor standers as well. They were all in the $1500 to $3000 range and at the moment these are my choice by a fairly big margin...... Sorry about the ramble but these somewhat homely black boxes have blown me away... There the only speakers that i have heard that can take the place of the Meadowlark Shearewater Hotrods im replacing (wont fit in my tiny new living space) and not leaving wanting.........."Color me impressed"...Indeed!!
I don't think the Gurus will replace my line array speakers in the dedicated listening room, but I'm seriously considering buying them for a second system in the living room. They've got to be the most enjoyable speaker I've ever heard. And the fact that you don't need to get super tweaky with them, and they can be placed up against the wall, helps with the audiophile neuroses factor.
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Recovering Audiophile
Born again music lover.
Indeed.... They would not replace my Shearwaters in my last listening space (large). One of my frustrations has been getting that sense of weight and punch out of monitors. I tried adding a sub but for a verity of reasons mostly to do with my weird space it hasn't worked for me. The Guru's have the weight and punch i have been missing .... but when i set up my Shearwaters in the same space, theirs a lot more there in all categories... bass is about the same though. They totally overwelm the space. For a small to medium seized room and especially if close to the wall placement is desired.... they might be just the ticket.
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