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One perspective on the economics of DIY and upgrading manufactured gear. . . not meant to dis the brick and mortar establishments but an interesting break down for considering DIY (BTW I don't live near any B&M establishments). . .
I'm leaving a copy of this pie chart on the coffee table in hopes my spouse "happens" to take a look at how much money/value for the dollar this hobby actually brings to the bottom-line of our budget. . . and listening pleasure . . .;-)
An excerpt from the link below that is actually referring to upgrading manufactured gear:
"Quality parts result in very high prices. Here's something to consider: when one manufactures high-end stereo gear, every dollar spent on parts adds $5.50 to $6.00 to the retail price. This is the industry standard "multiplier." Charge less and you go out of business, charge more and you are not competitive. There are a lot of reasons why the retail price is so high.
Do the math. Let's say you pop over to your local high-end audio dealer's salon and after careful consideration, drop $4,000 on a new preamp. As someone who is familiar with the pricing structure of high-end audio equipment you start to do the math while you're driving home. First, half of your $4,000 went to the dealer. The manufacturer gets the other half, or $2,000.
In reality, very little of the money given to the retailer is spent on the the parts that actually handle the signal. The most costly items are the retailer and manufacturer's overhead including advertising and high-end audio shows.
Of that, roughly 2/3rds goes to costs not associated with the actual product's materials (the rule of thumb is to wholesale the product for three times the parts cost). That means that your $4,000 preamp has $660 worth of parts in it. Of those parts, more than half the money is spent on non-electronic parts, like the pretty new chassis, the product's shipping carton, the owner's manual, the knobs, the feet, the front panel, transformers, good-quality connectors, an AC cord and the circuit board. What's left is less than $340 for the parts that actually handle the signal -- the parts that make the music. Now, open the top cover and count all the parts. How many $100 capacitors and $7.00 resistors do you think are in there?"
Again this is not meant to dis B&M but instead remind us of the benefits of DIY for those interested in learning as you go . . . the Audio Note kit build manuals have to be some of the best in the business for clarity . . .
I'm not sure where R&D fits into this particular break down . . . I have no particular interest in this company but thought the article a bit interesting. (ALTA VISTA AUDIO L.L.C.)
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Audionorth,
Thanks for the post, it certainly is interesting food for thought and certainly underscores the benefits of DIY in our hobby. I'm guessing it's similar for non audio related products as well. I've always felt that by building my own kits I'm getting the absolute best value for my money with my gear.
We get the benefit of the R&D done by the kit designers (and by extension, Audionote) and then the ability to add upgraded parts for very little cost. It also allows access to higher end equipment to those without the financial means, or who choose not to buy expensive manufactured gear.The numbers in your post are surprising in terms of how little of the price actually goes towards parts. I doubt the DIY approach is going to hurt the brick and mortar stores; internet sales will most likely hurt them much more. However for those of us willing to wield a soldering iron, you've provided an enlightening view of the actual value we receive from our efforts. When I place my partsconnexion order for the upgrades for my new monoblocks, I'll have to calculate how much I saved based on this formula.
It's true but very,very few dealers get rich even though they're supposedly getting half of product's worth. The reason is 99% of people are happy with boomboxes and out of remaining 1% most people stays with mainstream hi-fi without even considering spending more than couple of hundred on a piece of equipment.Imagine if 30% people would care for quality audio! We'd be buying hi-end for close to nothing;)
Regards, W
I don't know the answer.
Better parts can really drive up the price of an amp. Look at the prices for AN (UK) double C Core transformers of various sorts! A good Lindhal PP OPT with amorphous cores can set you back over $800/pair. If you go with great iron and other expensive parts but have a simple design, parts can be way more than labour, at a reasonable wage. Then again, AN says they not only use expensive parts, but also match everything they can, so you get the best (worst?) of both worlds as far as cost is concerned.
I certainly agree with your main point.
"What did the Romans ever do for us?"
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