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Anyone got this? Wifey agrees we need a decent-condition copy since we play it nearly every day. I'm interested in the first side being pitch-corrected.I got outbid last night on a decent mono copy 2 min before end of auction. Can't BELIEVE it went for $23! I assumed it would go for much more so I didn't keep a close eye on it.
So, should I hold out for a mono or buy the Classic? I've heard such terrible things about them...
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I have KOB in original 6-eye stereo, Classic 200g, & 70's reissue columbia red/gold label. To my ears, the Classic & original 6-eye are peers with differences being neglible to non-existent. I still prefer the 6-eye, just a vintage bias, perhaps. For that matter, I think the red/gold is very acceptable. It doesn't have quite the openness or bass extension as the 6-eye or Classic, but w/o either to compare to, it's fine.As for mono vs stereo, early jazz & pop stereos could be mixed hard right and left with a discernable hole in the center. KOB is NOT in that category. The soundstage clearly extends from left to right with Miles occupying and coming gloriously out of center stage. You may recall Stereophile's John Adkinson writing up hearing the original stereo mastertape and being blown away, and I believe it was the founder of mapleshade, himself a mastering engineer, who when interviewed on NPR some years ago said KOB was his all time favorite stereo recording.
I agree about the red/gold -- but mine has so many scratches I decided I want a good copy to play over and over. It's funny about the stereo mix; I use it to set my speaker placement and yeah, miles does jump out front and center, but I don't like how the drums and piano are so far apart. I figure the mono must be pretty cool too. I think that the Classic reissue will be best for my purposes now, though I will hold out for a cheap mono 6-eye since I too have that "vintage bias."
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
I think it was just side A that was a quarter tone too sharp because of a problem that caused the tape machine to run slow during the recording of that session. I also think Columbia did release a corrected speed copy a couple of years before Classic did.
Classic first did a two LP release with side A at the original speed and also at the corrected speed, then a single LP at correct speed.
I have the Classic four LP single sided 45 of KOB too and it’s the one I pull out if someone really likes the album. To me it’s the best of all of them.
we assume. Ampex engineers at the time said had farmed out the capstan motors and were aware of the problem and shipping 30th street replacement 300's in a matter of days. The assumption is that miles heard it and liked it the way it was even though they could have fixed the speed.
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thus making it a quarter-speed too slow on vinyl? Not that it much matters, I guess, right is right. I think that 45 version is pretty rare now...I bet it's great.
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
The six-eye is a deepgroove with the incorrect label on Side 2.
I think the Classic is head and shoulders better than original. As good as those old six-eyes are, they were cut with the limits of the typical 1959 cartridge in mind. Classic Records, though, was able to set free all the wonderful dynamics in the master tape.
The only thing I can't tell you is if the Classic is pitch-corrected. I've never compared them side by side.
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...classic made a huge deal about pitch-correcting one version. i'm guessing that if you had that version you'd know it. i think they did a reissue of the KOB that we all know, then later did a 'corrected' version -- and i think made available a 2-record set with both.but i could be wrong.
i've been thinking of looking for a mono. i have a stereo 6-eye, and i also have a sealed stereo 6-eye (the inner poly bag is sealed). maybe i should sell that one @ auction.
The pitch corrected version is from a safety of the mix-down master that Sony pulled out of the vaults for a gold CD issue. They found the safety because the original master was wearing out. The safety was used by the folks at Classic to cut the double lp with both speed corrected and non-speed corrected versions. They achieved the non speed corrected version by slowing down the safety tape until it matched the pitch of the original lp.The single lp uses the correctly pitched Classic stampers from the two lp set.
I have the two lp set and the 45. They smoke the stereo original, but a good pressing of the mono original is hard to beat, because the mono master was so good.
Buy the 1 LP Classic from truebluemusic for $35 shipped, or wait a week and hope to score a mono copy for around the same price or a few bucks less?I'm leaning toward the Classic after reading the review -- sounds like it's actually closer to the master (and actual session) than anything...but mmmmmm, 6-eye mono...
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
back in the days when they were easy to find cheap. The first three looked great but sounded lousy, mostly because of pressing issues, like high stamper #'s or poor vinyl. The fourth looks more beat up, but plays like a dream, so it is the one I kept.
I guess that might account for the price differentials ($25-$300). Since I'm buying it to listen to rather than to collect I will likely get the Classic. Thanks again!
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
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"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
to my knowledge, it hasn't been released at the correct speed on vinyl by anyone else.
read the review...still not sure what I should get, but i may wait a few days and see what happens on ebay. Thanks!
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
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My CD remaster is, I believe.The appeal of the mono copy is, well, mono. I've always hated the hard pan job they did on the stereo.
But, I'm glad to hear the classic is good :)
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
Generally, I'll always opt for stereo even when the stereo effect is all wrong.
Mono jazz is OK, though. It sounds natural to my ears in a way that mono rock n roll or mono classical never can.
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sounds better when played through old tube systems. There are so many records which I considered unlistenable until I switched to tubes.
I like mono jazz; not sure I've heard any mono rock or classical, but I agree about it sounding pretty natural.
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
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