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In Reply to: Re: Dual vs. B&O; last time posted by mosin on May 9, 2007 at 21:09:52:
First, define ' mid-fi '. Dual and Thorens are ' mid-fi '
when compared to a $4000 TT. There are a lot of people on this forum that compare the Jap stuff favorably to those two. I didn't
say he didn't mention DD; he did, and doesn't like them for the same reason half the inmates and the top end manufacturers don't;
motor noise. To say that there are DD tables that beat the three
Jap models mentioned is a broad statement; name a few, that's what this forum is about, right? And belittling someone who
spends 10-12 hours a day repairing everything from Mac to mish-mash
and for decades at that is pretty much self explanatory. Everyone has an opinion, and I value them all; there are a dozen cartridges and nearly as many arms discussed here, and if there was
a universally perfect solution, we could all find better thingsd to do. I take all opinions and weigh them and try to find an average
best solution to my price point. When I mentioned B&O to the tech,
that's where he went, opinions on mid-fi. I'll ask about the
idler thing when I see him next.
Follow Ups:
Ron,Direct drives? Denon DP100M, EMT 948, any Goldmund, and a bonus one....the Rockport Technologies System III Sirius.
Weigh it for what it is worth. I don't personally mind if you get a Pioneer...in whatever flavor.
What the hell do the TT you mentioned have to do with mid-fi $2-$300
units? Your credibility drops with every post.
...you come off as a low-rent idiot.*
quote: PanzerIV...
What the hell do the TT you mentioned have to do with mid-fi $2-$300
units? Your credibility drops with every post.If you can somehow manage to remember three posts ago, you said that high-end manufacturers don't like direct drive turntables. You brought that market segment into the mix, not I. I was merely reminding you of what you said earlier, and providing some examples that prove you wrong. Apparently, your attention span is fairly short.
So, to refresh your memory in a more immediate way, you said...
quote: PanzerIV...
I didn't say he didn't mention DD; he did, and doesn't like them for the same reason half the inmates and the top end manufacturers don'tBy the way, one popular direct drive mid-fi turntable is the Technics 1200 Series. It is highly regarded by many. I suggest that you write it down.
-mosin
*I prescribe for PanzerIV an absolute minimum of 12 grams of Piracetam daily. ;)
I can see I need to be very patient with someone who smokes un-taxed
cigarettes, since you're obviously having difficulty functioning
on this plane. Slowly...........; The conversation with the tech begins with a question about a B&O. The tech offers several opinions. The B&O has a problem with producing an accurate soundstage. He assumes I'm interested in mid-fi equipment, so
offers that he doesn't like older Duals with the idler drive. Reason
at this point unknown, since I didn't ask. He suggests Sony, Pioneer, and Yamaha. He then tells me that the BEST option is a
manual belt drive, and as an example as to why, points out that most high end brands use that system. What is the inconsistancy
you are trying to illuminate? And as to referencing past posts,
I've already mentioned the Technics 1200mk II
I can see I need to be very patient with someone who smokes un-taxed
cigarettes, since you're obviously having difficulty functioning
on this plane.When dealing with idiots, I do have trouble functioning at the top of my game. I admit it, so there.
Some of those cigarettes would come in handy about now...for sure. LOL
Slowly...........; The conversation with the tech begins with a question about a B&O. The tech offers several opinions. The B&O has a problem with producing an accurate soundstage. He assumes I'm interested in mid-fi equipment...
I may have underestimated your tech at the outset because I also believe that you are a mid-fi guy...at best.
offers that he doesn't like older Duals with the idler drive. Reason
at this point unknown, since I didn't ask.Maybe he thought you wouldn't be able to work one of those.
He suggests Sony, Pioneer, and Yamaha. He then tells me that the BEST option is a manual belt drive, and as an example as to why, points out that most high end brands use that system.
Well, maybe he was right because you do seem to be a guy who would gravitate towards the ten dollar end of audio. Get a Pioneer. They are great!
What is the inconsistancy [SIC] you are trying to illuminate?
I am not trying to illuminate any; I did illuminate them.
And as to referencing past posts, I've already mentioned the Technics 1200mk II
Well, write it down, so you won't forget.
Good B&O's produce an accurate soundstage. More accurate in fact than nearly any other table I have heard!However, the Micro's are a little better at it.
My BL-51/Grace 707 MKII, when fitted with a Sound-Smith B&O SMMC-2 comes just within shouting distance of my RX 5000 Air/MAX-282 tonearm with its Accuphase AC-1 cartridge!
Ofcourse, my RX is a world apart in what it does better, but I could probably live with my BL/Grace/B&O setup forever.
Those names ring any bells?
Henry
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