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Hello every one,I am looking for a re-issue of dizzy reece soundin' off. Does anyone know if King pressed one in mono? If not which toshiba pressing sounds the best?? Also Classic used to have a list on their site with the planned releases of the MONO's they are doing. Does anyone know if they are planning to do this one?
Of course if someone wants to part with their mint original I would be willing to pay a "fair" price!!---:)
Thanks
David
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You know, this is not at all aimed at AG, but I just think people are expecially weird about blue notes and other valuable jazz records. I have yet to hear one person ever say an reissue of the pricey record like a blue note 4000 series sounds beter than the original, because for one thing , people have an natural sense of pride in owning things and don't, subconsciously want to devalue their collection.Now, early blue note pressing do sound really good. But they sound very different from reissues. Modern pressings tend to try for quieter cut, high freq extension, more polite sound. Originals have a little more swing,many are cut really hot and then tend to have more agressive mids. Part of the reason for this is that in 50's and 60's the scully/westrex lathe was favored as was the fairchild limiter for cutting records. It has a sound.
I like it when the music and mastering match in spirit which is why I like old blue notes and chess pressings. But I think sometimes, we get an older is better things here rather than older is different.
That said Analog guy's response was fine and fair. I agree that the kings can be very good and that some of the toshibas and classics are excellent. In many cases when I have one of these though, it is because I don't own an original. Sometimes I do get to compare though (like I have the original and classic press of "indeed") and i guess this post was just a general comment not to be scared away by record collector snobs like me. Some things in the world of pressing are weird, like the fact that the OJC "Saxophone colossus" sounds so good.
in my collection, i pursue the *music* i want first, then i look for the pressings that sound best to me.i happen to like a lot of the music that was put out by the blue note label; to me, there was artistry in every aspect: the performance, the recording, the creation of the LP, the artwork...
my collection has pressings of all vintages, and sometimes multiple pressings for a copy. why? well, there was a period of time when i wanted to test mothra's assumptions up above: do "1st pressings" really sound best? how much better are they? how important is that van gelder stamp? what about a van gelder stamp on a 4th pressing? was plastylite a big deal? etc......
i happen to think that the japanese pressings, as a whole, are great -- even the series of LPs that was mastered digitally (yes, it's true). the vinyl is clean, they are easy to find in NM/M condition, and while not "cheap" they often cost not much more than other so-called "audiophile" reissues sell for today.
in my experience (and this spans about 450 blue note titles), i generally prefer the original releases. is it a huge difference? i wouldn't really say *huge*, but often there is a slightly *different* (good word mothra) emphasis in the pressing. this is not bad, and i can see how it could be a taste thing. also, perhaps a version that a person hears first is the one that they'll prefer.
me? i know a bunch of care was put into the early/1st releases and that all involved cared about the sound, so i'm inclined to consider it the 'reference'. playback equipment was a bit different back then, so maybe the recording was bumped up in some weak areas. i can't say for certain.
for someone starting out from scratch, i'd really advise buying the cheapest version they can find of any title (even a DMM) -- and then SELECTIVELY getting earlier or cleaner versions.
mothra: to a certain extent i'm sure people want to "protect their investment". an analogy would be someone telling the world that their expensive speaker cable is "the best" -- part of it is they want to believe their money was spent wisely. i think the BNs are a tad different (well, the limited supply makes the originals a bit more desirable for non-sonic perspective).
from a strictly musical point of vie, don't shy away from any of it!
here's a rule of thumb: the thicker the vinyl, the better the sound. it's not an absolute, but you will definitely see thick or thin versions of many vintages of originals, as well as reissues (even japanese reissues). generally speaking, the thicker ones sound a bit better/fuller.
(i'm listening to a 4th pressing right now and loving the music; it was $1.97 and the original probably fetches $150. if i had both, i'd play the original -- and of course if both were the same price i'd buy the original, too (i really don't sell albums, so "investment" is not something i think about).)
I generally agree. the really heavy collectors out there that I have hung out with are kind of a subset of all of this. Some are hugely knowledgeable and interesting, but they are kind of nuts too and something like blue notes are a religion to these people and they wouldn't even consider a reissue of something. Some people are very ridgid.Economics have something to with it too. I've seen japanese collectors just go nuts, but *all* they want is hank mobley and sonny calrk and they want them mint and money isn't an issue, where for me a 400 or 1000 record, well you can buy a lot of records for that amount of money. Blue notes are worth the money usually, as everything about the package really hit it out of the park for a while there.
I think i'm probably the same as you in the sense that first i find *a* copy of something for the music and then later if i want to delve into pressings of titles I like ( i have 5 pressings i'm sure of "out to lunch"). I have about 6000 to 7000 lp's not including 78's. I 'd have to have a lot more than that to get insane about pressings because there's just too much good music out there.
i have a toshiba-emi pressed in '84, as well as one from '92. i do not believe there is a king.the original sounds better (what do you consider a 'fair' price??), but both toshiba pressings are quite good. i've never bothered to compare one vs. the other; i don't think you can go wrong with either.
in general, the classic monos are good (esp if not doing a head-to-head vs 1st pressing), but i have no idea whether this one exists.
i can speak to the classic BN monos *only* (not other classics) based on experience with 15 of them and comparing a bunch to originals or other high-quality pressings.
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