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In Reply to: FWIW, I'm trying one with the dish down. I have done dish up in the past but posted by artemus on May 3, 2007 at 05:26:38:
and he did the process twice, once in each direction and yesterday I put it on the platter and dead flat.
When I first opened the LP, a double 200gm, it was terribly dished, then after 6 months of sitting on the shelf, waiting for the hour drive out of town I delivered it to them and it had nearly completely fixed itself. As it was an expensive LP, they insisted they ty to finish the job and they did.
Patricia Barbers' Fortnight in France was the title.
Perhaps you should try the same thinking if not pleased on the first round. Which side to start with, I dunno?
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the lateral deformation has been the problem. I doubt that flipping it over would help, but I have nothing to lose by trying it.
I do mine in the attic on the hottest days of summer. I have a thermometer in the attic. 125-130 degrees seems to be the magic temperature. I've had many success stories, but the badly dished ones have been problematic.
I wonder if the machine has any temp control settings. Then too, an hour on one side and then an hour on the other might work for me too. Thanks for the info. I just may try that. But I'll have top wait till next weeks heat wave to come.
Life has lots of trials and lots of music to help us through them.
...from what I've read in the sales literature, it works by heating the edge and the center of the record only (not the whole thing). They don't say the temp. Perhaps that's why it doesn't cause the lateral distortion?Given the price, unless you are a dealer, have a 'vinyl lovers club' in your neighborhood with a nice membership, or have a lot of money to toss around, I can't see how the machine would be a good buy. I've been collecting for forty years and have about 10,000 lps myself, and I can't say that dish warps have been a common, or even more-than-very-occasional, problem - certainly not enough to justify the $$$.
On the contrary, I have to disagree with you. I bought one about two years ago or maybe more. It's been a revelation as I had so many warped LPs, dished or otherwise. You have 10,000 LPs, wow! I think a percentage of those mist have warpage of some degree. Anyway, in an era when a cartridge can cost 2K and often much more, I think the Disc Flatter is a good value. My sample has repaid the money time and time again! Heartily recommended to anyone sitting on the fence on this one.
The price is steep, but I'd love to have one at my disposal. I have about the same number of LPs as you have, but it seems that some of my biggest favorites have warps.I have the 10LP Sun Bear Concerts from Keith Jarret that I got very cheaply. I suppose they resold it after someone returned them because they were dished slightly. I've never had the slightest problem playing them on any of the 'tables I've owned, but still...I'd love to "de-dish" them!
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If I had more money I'd soon be broke...but I'd have more LPs!
You'd have to have a VPI table with proper platter, but it looks like it would do the same, if only temporarily while playing. Plus the ring is supposed to make a good sonic impact.
Life has lots of trials and lots of music to help us through them.
has the "right" platter. Mine has the black TNT platter that was between the "first" Mark IV and the chrome (?) TNT platter that they played with just before the Aries & all of the 'tables after it. At least that's what I remember, but then I have a lousy memory except for knowing where the bathroom is.I wonder if there's a series of photos anywhere showing the VPI 'tables in a time-line? All manufacturers should do that!
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If I had more money I'd soon be broke...but I'd have more LPs!
You must use one of the platters made to be used with the ring clamp (HRX, etc.). I listened to a few records on an HRX at a dealer and found the whole thing to be a massive PITA. I also didn't like how close to the lead-in grooves the clamp sat; it wouldn't take much of a mishap to lose a cantilever.
be faced with the same trepidation that I have when I play a 10" LP; and probably far less chance of a mishap with a 10" LP than that clamp.One of our fears is a stupid mistake costing hundreds of dollars. We're faced with a bit to fear because we love the sound and "feel" of vinyl; there's no need to add to it, and asI said before, I have few problems with dished or warped LPs.
I have always tried to change cartridges every 2-3 years. I've never really kept an eye on the number of hours, yet I have never ruined an LP with a worn stylus or had suspension problems with a cartridge; and I play a lot of LPs!
Amp power; worn out supension; compromised sound because of warps, flutter, etc. I don't worry much about it at all. I'm going to listen to my music in whatever shape it's in...evaluation? THEN it's time for the best of my LPs; yet there's a lot to be learned from the sound of "compromised" LPs, too.
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If I had more money I'd soon be broke...but I'd have more LPs!
I think most of my music collection is compromised, in terms of sound. My main criterion when hearing any unfamiliar hardware or system is whether or not it makes me want to listen to more music. Any product that makes me want to listen to less of my music, regardless of the sound quality of the software, has a fundemental flaw. It may be subtle, but still a deal breaker.
Might be helpful if you have a lot of high $$$ records that are warped though.
Life has lots of trials and lots of music to help us through them.
I mean, besides two plates of glass and your oven. Maybe some heating coil and .... I don't know, Mr. Handy I'm not.
Jeff
Oven gets too hot. Attic in summertime @ 125-130 degrees. Works pretty good..except for badly dished ones so far.
Life has lots of trials and lots of music to help us through them.
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