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In Reply to: Blue Note 4072 posted by Olly on April 29, 2007 at 02:14:10:
http://kleene.ss.uci.edu/~rmay/Bluenote.htmlhttp://www.jazzdisco.org/bluenote/
http://ronpenndorf.com/labelography.html
I think that a combination of the three sites above should answer most questions. At present I've got 84195 and 84212. Both are Liberty re-issues. Unless I get lucky, I'll probably stick with the re-issues. Budgetary constraints and all.-STeve
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...but also is not exhaustive. there are plenty of 'quirks' out there and other idiosyncracies that are not captured on his site...but his site is a PHENOMENAL resource.
I think what I liked about the Pendorf site was his photos of labels and the way he simplified identification by categorizing the labels as either 1, 2a,2b and 3. Making it fairly simple to distinguish between.http://www.jazzdisco.org/bluenote/
The above link I like because it categorizes each album with a discography, who the principals were and the year of issue.http://kleene.ss.uci.edu/~rmay/Bluenote.html
This link was taken from a "Primyl Vinyl" newsletter. I like it for the history that is offered. It explains the meaning of "deep groove" among other things. The article seems to correctly credit Alfred Lion as the chief discipline behind the "Blue Note Sound", and Rudy Van Gelder as someone who was working to his instruction. This is something Pendorf doesn't explain. We read a lot of posts that are overly concerned about RVG mastering but with scant mention of Lion, who was the real source of the quality.Also he identifies the albums produced under Alfred Lion: all 1500 series through to number 4252.
Any way I don't have any insights to offer on Blue Note collecting. I've just noted the three useful sources of info.
-Steve
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Ron's site is great -- and it's useful for folks to see the labels. There are plenty of anomalies, though; for instance, some records were held for later release -- so one cannot go by recording date alone to figure out which label corresponds with a first/early pressing.Plenty of other quirks abound which are interesting but ancillary to the music/artistry.
Someone posted a great article in the past 24h on RVG. I commented that it really was the partnership between RVG & Lion that created the sound, and other RVG-only (sans Lion) mastering is a bit different than the BN sound. The interview does indicate that Lion *liked* RVG's sound... so RVG wasn't just following instructions. Their tug-of-war resulted in some great stuff. Lion had amazing vision.
All the links you posted have great info. I just did my own tally of all Blue Note LPs (including Japan-only releases) and realized I have 71% 'em.... and a bunch of those I don't have are compilations or some later music that I'm not terribly interested in. Yikes. I didn't realize it had gotten so high!
"I just did my own tally of all Blue Note LPs (including Japan-only releases) and realized I have 71% 'em"That's great - are those all vinyl or a mix of vinyl/CD? I've got probably a hundred titles, but nearly all on CD. The vinyl doesn't surface around here.
i don't think i own but a handful of BN CDs (i'd have to look cuz i wind up not playing many CDs at home)....it's not all that impressive. anyone can do it given the time & inclination.
i guess i *could* decide to pursue the other 29%, but i don't think i will. there are some more titles i'd like to have for the music, but much of the remainder isn't as interesting to me. either they are compilations of music i already have, or they are "lesser" (subjective, i know) albums of artists that i am not a particularly big fan of. i tried to at least expose myself to the "best" albums of those artists...but for whatever reason, right now at least, they don't do it for me.
Yes, I saw that post yesterday and printed the article for my own archives. A few 3-ring binders full of labelography. I thought RVG's comments in the interview corroborated the Primyl Vinyl article re: influence of Lion over the Blue Note sound. I did not mean to diminish the influence of RVG. It seems that he was an essential ingredient in that recipe, as were the musicians involved! But without Lion, the whole mystique surrounding Blue Note did wither.71% of the BN catalog! That's wild.
happy spinning
-Steve
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