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It's a crash course for the ravers...
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Simply couldn't listen to it anymore. All that hype, over all the decades (Robert Hilburn), pretty much ruined it for me. Easily a/one contender for the most overrated record of all time. Certainly ... still much enjoy my four other Bowie discs [Baal, Low, Young Americans, Space Oddity (obviously could use a few more)].Entering the waay back machine, had a friend in da 70's who was a large fan. And had heard that a small little club in the San Fernando Valley (as opposed to a stadium or arena in the city/county), was going to have an informal showcase. Well, that afternoon happened by the place. Door was open, I wandered in. And asked ..... while some were setting up music/p.a. equipment.
The answer: Oh, not that David Bowie
:-)
Mmmm, yeah, it's crap.Send along your Uk Ziggy, your toploader Beatles White mono, your Harvest Dark Side Of The Moon to my address.
Got that over-rated Robert Johnson Come On In My Kitchen seventy-eight ?
Post it my way.
'All That Hype'.
Contenders All, For the 'Most Overated'.
'Over All The Decades'.Exactly as you say.
Can I send you a prepaid parcel ?
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Otherwise/rest of the time it channels the later .... I Dig a Pony. Dark Side of the Moon? I guess before I die, I could at least spin it while watching the Wizard of Oz, in synch, at least once (but then I'd have to go out and get a copy).I guess we could compare licorice pizza libraries, and see where they line up/compare? I still play and enjoy the Pink Flo Flo, just not Dark Side. Just as I play the Beatles (but rarely if ever the White Album).
People change, their tastes and interests. Some years I'm down on the Supremes, and the next I'm buying and listening (still can't spin Sly and the Family Stone, as much as I played him in my teens). I guess you stil have the same level of like/desire/interest in artists you did at five? Ten? Twenty years old? Robert Johnson, hmmm .... send me your's and I'll tell you if you should keep it?
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:-)
Guess my point was that personal change, changes in tastes and interests, etc, while significant to the individual ---- do not really affect a musical work or it's value.I don't have, or listen to, the Monkee's records that I did as a child.
But even in their case, my sagging interest doesn't make lesser pop-songs out of Last Train To Clarksville or Daydream Believer .Some of early Mozart is pretty simplistic to my ears these days, but I can't see calling Mozart "overated" on that basis.
Pink Floyd, take it or leave it. But I won't say DSOTM wasn't their (I'm Not Your) Stepping Stone .
Would you ??
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In spite of the fractured DNA that created them, still fun to listen to (and sun-of-a-gun, saw them live some four decades ago). I won't knock DSOTM's place in the historical hiearchy. Just that well some things can, and have been taken a little too seriously. Particularly in the immediacy of their (then) time frame. I still much enjoy The Wall, but listening to it, one can't help but feel a tiny bit of Row-jay taking himself a little too seriously as well.I go with the flow, wherever the notes take me. Doesn't mean I can't laugh at myself along the way, for my own musical seriousness. Some works soar. Some sail to the heavens. And some .... well, aren't the answer to the meaning of life. However much we may have believed it then.
Actually, it's the other way around.
show me you're real.
enjoy,
mark
One of my favorite Bowie songs:"Time - He's waiting in the wings
He speaks of senseless things
His script is you and me, boy
Time - He flexes like a whore
Falls wanking to the floor
His trick is you and me, boy
Time - In Quaaludes and red wine
Demanding Billy Dolls
And other friends of mine
Take your time
The sniper in the brain, regurgitating drain
Incestuous and vain, and many other last names
I look at my watch it says 9:25 and I think 'Oh god, I'm still alive'
We should be on by now
You - are not a victim
You - just scream with boredom
You - are not evicting time
Chimes - Goddamn, you're looking old
You'll freeze and catch a cold
'Cause you've left your coat behind
Take your time
Breaking up is hard, but keeping dark is hateful
I had so many dreams, I had so many breakthroughs
But you, my love, were kind, but love has left you dreamless
The door to dreams was closed. Your park was real dreamless
Perhaps you're smiling now, smiling thought this darkness
But all I have to give is guilt for dreaming
We should be on by now"
For all intents and purposes, Aladdin Sane was Bowie's sophomore --for the US and World Market, anyway--- effort, only the second to be supported by world touring, and no one was more aware of that than he.
This one had to re-ring the bell.As it happens, much of the music was written on the Spider's inaugural tour of US supporting the Ziggy album, in rapt amazement of both the circus-freakshow-&-highwire conditions, and the starmaker machinery happening hour-to-hour as they mesmerized audiences and offended the upstanding populace at every stop....
As such it finds Bowie the lyricist in full-visionary mode, drug-addled, paranoiac and clairvoyant ... he goes from the required all-out rock stomps like Panic and Watch That Man , and of course Jean Genie , right into enraptured curio-cabinet bits like Lady Grinning Soul , Time and obviously, the title tune. Drive-In Saturday is the rare Bowe love song, albeit wildly staged in SciFi and Cinematic drag; it's actually Bowie's "Autumn In New York", another future & present translation of the jaded lush life, except maybe this time for aliens who won't fly in jetliners.
This record never grabbed the Brass Ring that Ziggy had, but was the soundtrack for the decadence-dipped Bowie era that was quickly following. If I recall, the music from Alladin Sane was actually meant to be the basis of the 'stage show' that eventually became the Diamond Dogs tour, and was liberally used in that show.* The case could be made, regardless, that with the AS material Bowie had already begun the transformation toward the vampiric 'Thin White Duke'.
A 'crash-course for the ravers' for sure.
J.D.
* The Diamond Dog tour, Bowie's most theatrical--- stage sets, skyscrapers, hydraulic arm-platforms -- ended up as ' David Live At The Tower ', which sounds quite contrived these days, kind of hollow and distant, as compared to the actual studio tracks it does.
Probably the best live Bowie is the soundtrack (or better, the video) called Ziggy Stardust The Motion Picture -- it was released on vinyl--- which, though early for this material, already contains 'Watch That Man', 'Time' & other Aladdin material.........
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Not to imply that Aladdin was Bowie's second album.It was merely the second album after world fame with Ziggy , the second that he mounted a world tour around, after the inaugural Ziggy tour. The tracks from AS have cities noted on the liner notes, indicating where they were written, and most come from that first US Ziggy tour.
Both tours, it should be noted, fully encompassed the existing Bowie back-catalog of the time--- which was comprised of three of the better rock lps ever released. Space Oddity , The Man Who Sold The World , and Hunky Dory neatly filled in the spaces on the "inaugural" tour.
Nice to have backup material.
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or:
"A lemon in a bag played the tiger rag
and the bodies on the screen stopped bleeding..."This may be heresy, but IMO this is a better album than Ziggy Stardust.
May be my favorite of his lesser-known songs...when I saw him in Detroit during the Serious Moonlight tour (I went to college in Detroit) they played this as an addition to their playlist. The crowd went nuts as soon as the first guitar lick started...
Gotta love the guitar riff in that tune and the lyrics are killer . The whole album simply kicks ass.Panic In Detroit
Ah oooh
He looked a lot like Che Guevara, drove a diesel van
Kept his gun in quiet seclusion, such a humble man
The only survivor of the National People's Gang
Panic in Detroit, I asked for an autograph
He wanted to stay home, I wish someone would phone
Panic in Detroit (oh oh oh aahh, oh oh oh aahh)He laughed at accidental sirens that broke the evening gloom
The police had warned of repercussions
They followed none too soon
A trickle of strangers were all that were left alive
Panic in Detroit, I asked for an autograph
He wanted to stay home, I wish someone would phone
Panic in Detroit (oh oh oh aahh, ah ah ah aahh)Putting on some clothes I made my way to school
(oh oh oh)
And I found my teacher crouching in his overalls
I screamed and ran to smash my favourite slot machine (oh oh oh)
And jumped the silent cars that slept at traffic lightsHaving scored a trillion dollars, made a run back home
Found him slumped across the table. A gun and me alone
I ran to the window. Looked for a plane or two
Panic in Detroit. He'd left me an autograph
"Let me collect dust." I wish someone would phone
Panic in Detroit
Panic in Detroit
Panic in Detroit
Aoo
"He was the nass, with god-given ass..."
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There's no stoppin' the cretins from hoppin'
Isn't that "he was the Nazz"?I always thought the reference was to Lord Buckley's Gospel rap.
In "Hymn for the Dudes" from Mott The Hoople's brilliant Mott Ian Hunter sings "You ain't the nazz / You're just a buzz / Some kinda temporary." I suspect he's referring to Bowie.
Tom Paxton, "Talking Vietnam Pot Luck Blues:"
The Captain, he's a blond fellow from Yale, he looks up at me and says "What's the matter wit'choo, baby?"Rolling Stones, "Miss You:"
I've been stumbling on my feet
Shuffling through the street
Asking people, what's the matter with you boy?Not to mention Todd Rundgren's band.
Without DB taking Mott the Hoople under his wing for the "All the Young Dudes" album their career probably would have been over.Cheers,
Jeff
Even my sister, who once dyed her hair bright red and cut it to match Bowie's Diamond Dogs do, was unable to tell me what that lyric meant.
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There's no stoppin' the cretins from hoppin'
If you've never heard Lord Buckley's original, you're missing something.
A very brief clip:
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To date I have Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Low & now Hunky Dory UK pressings. I previously & still have most of Bowie's LP's up until Scary Monsters. I am finding the early UK releases to be superior in sound.olddude55 It's cool to see you discovering the music you've recently been talking about! I was lucky enough to see Thunders, Iggy, Patti Smith, & the like, in small clubs in the early 80's. I've been thinking of other bands for you to check out. One that comes to mind are the Deadboys. I have there two first albums, and although sonically there not the best, they are filled with some great material. Also early Cramps albums are pretty cool. I'll try and come up with a list for ya.
Jeff
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