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In Reply to: I think you should get at least 1000 hours out of any diamond stylus.... posted by John Elison on April 28, 2007 at 05:09:45:
but when you equate that to 1,500 lp's it sort of brings it back into perspective. I listen to approx6 lp's Monday to Friday so that's 30 per week. Looks like I should be looking to replace my stylus every 12 months. Would you get more out of the stylus if it is well looked after and your lp's are extremely clean. I am using an AT440Mla and do you know what life expectancy these stlii have?
OLLY
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at least 1,500 hours out of the 440's MicroLine stylus and possibly closer to 2,000. AT's estimate of 1,000 hours is ultra conservative. IMO.
Henry
claims upwards of 4,000 (to 6,000) and has said that cleaning the records has no impact whatsoever on stylus life. (not to start a debate about whether cleaning records, in general, is good or bad -- his point was simply that dust & small particles have no effect on stylus wear. if one is playing records with bigger junk & through sticky messes, that is a different point altogether.)
Henry
...also said the same thing. perhaps it is dependent upon the cartridge, though.not trying to start a war, just saying that there are alternate opinions out there.
Henry, can you expand a little more on why do you disagree? Is it based on controlled tests of playing dirty vs clean LPs & determining the usable life? What line-contact cartridges have you used? The 20X-L moved towards a line-contact (sorta), no?
the people involved are actually proponents of cleaning records -- but the comment was that it will have no measurable affect on the life of the cartridge.
the grit in the grooves, but nobody can convince me said grit has no effect on stylus life. To my mind it has to.
Henry
but it could also be that the grit's affect is very, very minor relative to the life of the stylus. there could be an "effect"...but a marginal one at that.i guess the "it has to" have an effect argument doesn't hold much water for me; a controlled experiment would be most interesting. i'm guessing the 2 people i spoke with probably know the product best and are more likely to know the actual effect of most dirty vinyl on certain stylus shapes.
NB: we're talking more dirty/dusty records here than "trashed" records covered in "gunk".
I cannot believe that any manufacturer or seller of audio gear would try wasting their records or stylii to prove this dirt not matter point. How can they be sure that my dust and grit is cleaner than theirs ?(LOL)
I have a few vintage cartridges that have multi-thousands of hours on them ! For the last 17 years, I use an Ortofon SPU/SPE elliptical, with its step-up trannies riding tandem in the headshell ! Over 8000 hours is an (easily beat) estimation. I keep my records and stylus clean with Discwasher products, and often, simply use the Discwasher record brush dry, without fluid.
Above, someone claimed that elliptical and microridge/line contact types last longer ? I dispute that claim, as conicals make the least contact with the groove. I have more than a few, very well used 45+ year old conicals, that look clean under <80X magnification, while some of my line contact types quickly show black markings, inside the tips, albeit still very useable.
I hope that some manufacturer would step up to the plate on this cool thread. Diamonds can be forever...
it is good to know that 2 years should not harm my lp's. Is that a veiled attempt by you to concede I have clean lp's, nice of you.
OLLY
clean LPs from many different methods.
Henry
I have always been a believer of "Whatever Tickles Your Fancy' as long as we are happy. As for the AT440Mla I have found it to live up to all the hype that surrounded it's adulation here on the asylum. Tracks faultlessly and delivers what I believe a natural sound. Great lows and top end in my system and is a great match for the rest of the components.
OLLY
...With the "Touche'" BS. You just can resist every opportunity to shill "OLLYwash". Your joust is with windmills.Some prefer to use a commercial product, designed for the job, proved by time to do the job of cleaning their records safely and effectively.
Because you have decided that using some other type of cleaner on your records is good practice *FOR YOU*, does not mean *EVERYONE ELSE* has to use an unknown and widely unavailable, undocumented, mystery solvent like you do.
Damn man...F&^king get over it already.
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Al G
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This was a fun post until you had to spoil it. I should have known that it is impossible to not be serious here.
OLLY
Without a single "smiley" in the entire thread, the humor was just too obvious.I'll tell ya what, My opinion on the matter is mine. Keep on Keep'n on there, Don.
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Al G
Born To Tinker!
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