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In Reply to: "How." "How . . ." "And How!" posted by JoshT on April 26, 2007 at 08:27:34:
but Moon Dance would sound great on even marginally challenged vinyl. The reason is simple, this is not music with wide dynamic swings, like much classical music for example. Hence records noise and even minor ticks, crackling, etc. is easily masked by the near constant music level; sure there's lots of stuff going on but nothing like a full orchestra blowing and bowing its brain out followed by a oboe solo, that's a *big* dynamic swing .No small doubt this is the type of musical program that people refer to when speaking of dead silent vinyl but the point is it doesn't require much, no miraclous cleaning fluid nor multi-part clean routines, to get excellent results.
The LP would have to be pretty bad to cause problems with stuff like Moon Dance (great LP!), i.e. badly scratched or having horrendous groove damage, and in those cases the LP is best tossed.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
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That's OK, no need to hate telling me anything. You are right that Moon Dance would sound great on any format and probably masks surface noise effectively. But my point wasn't that I lucked out with an amazingly clean copy of Moon Dance, or that my experience proves that vinyl is relatively quiet. I was only giving an example that seems to confirm the post above - surface noise seems to come from the speakers rather than being intermingled with the music.
I might have taken a different sample myself, something where the presense of record noise would at least potentially cause more concern, but I'd agree a good analog setup does have a way separating the noise form the music, making the former an only slighly distracting element and really isn't unless one simply can't get past it.The exception is bad groove damage that causes crackling of the music itself, typically during peaks; and of course the bad scratch that gives the repeating and perfectly periodic (so you know its coming Ahhhh!) tick or pop. Blunt needles, horrible turntables that couldn't naviage a freeway let alone a record grove, there's nothing that can be done for an LP that has been through that.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
Yes! Actually, I posted a bit about this above under my "Noise" response, but, alas, was ignored! :-)I agree. If there is groove damage distortion, it becomes PART of the music, and nothing is worse to my ears. I won't tolerate it and just toss the LP. Luckily, I seem to encounter that on only a very small sampling of the cheaper used LPs, so I don't feel bad ditching them.
I am now running the DL-103 and get groove damage noise but I ain't tossing those Lps. Not when I know a smaller stylus is on it's way eventually which will make that groove damage 'above' the glide.Even groove damaged records can be kept aside until you have a vdH stylus let you know if they are really trashed all the way or not.
The stuff I have tossed, though, was usually in the $1 to $2 range. Sometimes less. And, not particularly interesting or, if interesting, not particularly rare, so I figured I could replace it.But, I'd follow your advice if it was both music I loved and some rare pressing.
that is the only one i have ever seen.Beethoven Archduke trio on Turnabout / VOX label
Pablo Casals ~ cello
Sandor Vegh ~ violin
Mieczyslaw Horszowski ~ pianoThe thing is near destroyed but I just wont fling it. I need a stylus that is surgical.
That is the major one.
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