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Well for those that say my Rega P5 is my problem, I've started fresh with a new setup.I purchased this table, a VPI 16.5 cleaner, Lyra Helicon (Professionally mounted) and a box of great vinyl for $2150.00. All and all I think this was one hell of a deal. The audiogon seller happened to be a few miles from my house and I closed the deal today.
It will take a few days of listening to see if this will outperform my Rega 2000 CDP....I'll keep you posted if you are interested.
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You got quite a bargain, particularly if the cartridge has low mileage. I had the Helikon (I now run a Titan) and the stylus has quite a long life. My friend has the cartridge now, and it must have at least 2,000 hours on it and it sounds quite good.The only change I would suggest is the Shure stylus pressure guage. If you do plan to fiddle with tracking force you need something much more accurate than that POS. The recommended tracking force in the Lyra instructions specifies a very narrow range, something like 1.65 to 1.75. I have found the Shure guage to be off as much as .3 grams.
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No dust cover!! You got screwed, my friend.:-)
Yep, it's got one. You take this off when you want to play albums and put it back to prevent dust.
Picture of dustcover & Madonna album for those keeping score ... OMalley .
But for you, my sonic proletarian, get out the record duster.
I posted pictures of some of the albums below. There are a few keepers, but mainly audiophile quality vinyl that I wont be spinning much of.There are a few that I can stand to listen to:
Tracy Chapman
Sarah Mclachlin
Beatles
Some Blues albums
Prokoviev (I have too much of this already, but I'll take another)
Jewel. (I know...I know...but I can stand this)
Stevie Ray Vaughan.I didnt bother to show the rest. (The Cars, Huey Lewis,DJ Jazzy Jeff. etc..) I'm not complaining though--the albums were free.
I'm spinning one of my own albums now...(Alban Berg Concerto for Violin and Orchestra) This table has me listening to Violins and Cello's all night long....I haven't moved from my chair.
Congratulations! You've been busy! Excellent buy, great table / great cartridge. Can't go wrong with that with the HW16.5 to boot.
I may sell it to a friend...It seems a waist to have two.Although I could use one for RRL deep and one for the rinse....
Killer deal too. Almost enough to make me jealous. Keep us posted on its performance.
Life has lots of trials and lots of music to help us through them.
...is that a Roksan arm?
Its a space arm.I'm listening now.
I actually cried, tears pouring out like a little girl.
The music is HITTING ME VERY HARD.
I'm too busy enjoying music now to even comment on what this table sounds like. Its hard to think as an audiophile when chills are running up and down your spine. I am very much enjoying music is all I will say for now.
It must be synergy but can't really tell because the rest of your system is not registered.So is the sound smoother, more quiet? Did you clean those records before playing them? Any classical in that box?
I'm willing to give you one more chance though. Just be a nice ass. There is nothing I like more than a nice ass.Audio Note Meishu Integrated amplifier (with MM phonostage) SET 300B's Eight glorious watts per channel.
Audio Note E spe speakers.
Audio Note SL2 Step up
Audionote Silver bi wire speaker cables
Audio note silver interconnects.The system is made for corner placement of the speakers. My pictures dont show the way the room really is, but this is a system built by a long time audiophile that has made many mistakes in the past. This system matches my room and needs very nicely.
So what's the big difference? Sound difference, I mean. What does the new system do that the old one doesn't. Seriously.Is vinyl better now? Better than the digital? If so then maybe we are both asses, no? ;-) You previous, me ongoing ... ;-)
You were so convinced that the vinyl heads had those heads up their ass. What about now? And WHY?
Show some ass.
It always amazes me that people ask " Well how does it sound"??Too many jump on these boards after a day or less with a new component shouting " WOw, incredible, bright, dark, imaging magic, stunning,detailed, blah blah blah.
Well "how does it sound"?
The eternal audiophile question.
The answer is not easy, and takes much time, thought, and most importantly human connection to the soul of the music.
I've had a few single malts tonight and may regret this post in the morning but I feel as though I am sitting as a sage on the great audiophile mountain.
Grasshopper, these questions cannot be rushed. Would a true long time audiophile say anything other?
Shall we bend the knee?So there is a difference but you do not know what that difference is. Maybe it was the 2k that brought on the appreciation?
"Would a true long time audiophile say anything other?" You bet! They are a wordy bunch.
You are 100% correct ! No, I do not know what my new table sounds like yet.It's only been two days. (Many people new to this hobby, won't understand this)First impressions are FOOL impressions.
For now, I am enjoying quite a bit of music. There are some problems, and there is magic as well. I'm working it all out now.
I will say that my new system makes my Rega 2000 CDP sound like a pilow has been placed on the speaker--It's night and day. With so many terrible recordings out there, I'm not sure if this is a plus or a minus.
honestly, I hope you enjoy your new table.Many people new to this hobby, won't understand this that's a nice trick and I will let it go at that. I am happily in bliss knowing what I like.
Your first impression of us vinyl heads is that we were fooles...ooops I guess you're a foole now too. And you're first impression was foolish. But you need not apologize for it.
Umm...Yes, some of the music has moved me. Is this what you are referring to? This doesnt mean I'm anywhere close to knowing what my system sounds like.
***I actually cried, tears pouring out like a little girl.The music is HITTING ME VERY HARD.***
Do you run to your local dealer, listen to a component, then run back here posting your results?I really think it takes quite a bit of time to really know what a system sounds like. Sometimes it takes MONTHS OR YEARS until you realize the true sound. For me to for a solid opinion after 2 days would be silly...
Lets both stop being asses here. I'm still listening now and haven't had that much time to form an opinion. If this annoys people here..I'll just pop back off this forum. (I come and go for years at a time) The negativity here really makes this forum suck.
"I'm still listening now and haven't had that much time to form an opinion. If this annoys people here..I'll just pop back off this forum. (I come and go for years at a time) The negativity here really makes this forum suck."C'mon. Don't be so delicate. Well, If you don't know what your system sounds like and don't expect to know for some years to come, so be it. I can accept that. Easily.
From one foole to another, Enjoy the music.
...Than what ever it replaced.In a few hours, days or weeks however the faults begin to nag.
I am still enamored with my three week old Cornet2, but, I hooked the SP-6A's phono section back up yesterday and found myself able to identify and rectify 90% of the performance disparity.
It seems my SP-6A had a failing cap in the RIAA network of the right channel and one of the B+ power supply electrolytic cans was not 100%.
Yes, the Cornet2 does some things better but initially it totally embarrassed the classic ARC. I did not realize my SP-6A was ailing.
I used the time that I had Henry's Clarinet line stage in my system to give the ARC a good going over on the bench (complete with testing frequency response with my signal generator and o'scope).
Now that the ARC is fully back up to spec the differences are not so vast.
I always need a month or two with a new piece of gear. The "new" has to wear off and I have to become less enamored with the piece before I can make an objective assessment. Good, well designed gear affords the luxury of being capable (most of the time) of fine reproduction and it is *MY* ears and preferences that need verification/adjustment.
The recent flurry of DIY has let me listen and enjoy different sonic perspectives that I had not explored and that is always a good thing (as long as I am comfortable with my own preferences and taste)! I think that comfort level with my own taste is what keeps me from suffering full blown upgraditis and audiophile-nervosa on a crippling level.
And now I think I will play a Cramps 7" and revel in the LoFi of it all.
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Al G
Born To Tinker!
I just recently got a 7" RCA that was released in the 50's and it is not so LoFi. It has me thinking that those 45s are better than the re-re-released Lps that came later.An improvement on an already recognizable sound is easier for me to aquire than a totally new sound. Going from MM to MC, or going from the DL-160 to the DL-103. Those kinds of changes put me back on my heels. It takes a re-adjusting.
A small improvement like a new ball bearing, mat change makes for a change that is more understandable from a shorter orientation.
Vast changes are vast. But I still kind of know what the differences are and can identify them. The difference cannot be vast and subtle at the same time, given that subtle changes can deliver vast appreciation. The difference should be identifiable first, then appreciated second ... or all at once ...
For instance the difference between the Cornet and your old phone pre was manifest. A change to old pre made the change less so. All identifiable I am sure. ;-)
Upgraditis: It's agood thing I'm lazy. It lets me appreciate what I have because I am so slow to move on. [partially true]
My guess : stereo-test-records, 1812 overture, railroad sound-effects, & Madonna .
There are a few good albusm in here and a few that my wife will enjoy. I'm not a big fan of madonna, but I'll take the Sarah Mclachlin.Notice the test album in the back. You must have psychic powers.
....I've met a few of them in my day. Loves great audiophile "sounds", but cares little for real music.
My reward is sticking thumbs-in-ears, eastward across the majestic continental divide, at Doubtful O'Malley , asylum curmudge.
What a gas.
No Billy Joel, though. Damn!
Wow, that doesn't even look like the original version of the Spacearm, which is what I assume it is. Must be the angle of the shot. Anyway, enjoy!
You really ought to be ashamed of yourself. You, sir, are a thief....;-}
...the seller had a $2k cartridge for 40 records! :) lord knows what the rest of the stuff was worth.congratulations to you on your deal! i hope you get tons of satisfaction from it!
40 total?! I bought 34 Lps just today ! Of course, not a single one of them is on some audiophool list.
There is a guy in my neck of the woods I see at the hi-fi store and the record swap meets. He has a Verity Parsifals, BAT mono's, a BAT pre and BAT phono pre, very expensive cables and a top Shunyata line conditioner, has had both the Koestsu Black and Shelter 901, and has something like 2-3 boxes of records. I found this out when he sold his $5k cd player on consignment at the hi-fi store. I asked my salesman friend if the gentleman had enough records to go analog only. His response: "NO! We've been to his house. He's got about this many records [holds hands about 18" apart]."
Those would be the LPs in current rotation, the remain 2,500 or so are located in basement.
No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
then again, i guess the more important measure is how often music is playing. even if someone has one record or cd (in the extreme case), but they play it all the time, then that's a good thing.is it better to have few recordings played often, or tons of recordings with music playing next to never? i've known a few people in both categories and i think the former is more preferable.
At the record show, the most common thing I hear outta the guy is "Yeah, I don't know that stuff. I'll check it out on the internet and maybe buy it next time." He usually leaves empty handed. He is only interested in audiophile pressings or imports. It really is sad he can't seem to enjoy music for it's own sake, sound quality aside.The worst I heard, though: "I'm looking for Billy Joel, 52nd Street. I've got a Japanese half-speed master but I'm just not happy with it."
I honestly do sort of pity the guy for being willing to drop $2k on a power conditioner, but won't buy records unless they have been okayed by TAS, etc.
For god's sake, get that man some White Stripes! Stat!
folks that take that stuff as gospel often aren't music-lovers, nor will they ever be. they are into the equipment but could just as easily be interested in anything else--it just happens to be audio.i like folks with big krell amps @ home and who view audio as status. :)
Beautiful system. Correct me, are those speakers based on the Snell E's (with everything tweaked to hell and back)?
Yes they are ! I actually started my journey into high end audio many years ago with a pair of Snell type D IV's. I than lived in the land of Thiel for about ten years. Although I liked the Thiels, I missed many things about Snell.It's funny how we can go in a big circle when we get lost. I'm right back where I started.
Is dead can dance something good? I'm afraid to play most of these albums.
You should really listen to the Dead Can Dance. As a point of reference, Lisa Gerrard of DCD did some work on the Gladiator soundtrack. Kinda world music like, kinda classical based at times, really unique overall. Even if you don't like the record it won't be a waste of time to listen to it once.I bought some Snell E II's last fall for a future project. I'd love to hear the design carried out further. It was pretty ear opening for me to listen to them after living with minimonitors all my audio life.
Now if you heard those E's with low wattage SET amps, you'd really be hearing something. (If you haven't already)I've been tempted to buy an old pair of E's just to see how close they come to the Audio Notes. My guess is pretty dam close.
Lets keep our knowledge of these great speakers a secret OK? If word gets out, it may be hard to scoop these up.
I sold a pair of Thiel CS6's and purchased my Audio Note E's. It was by far the best move I've ever made in audio. Dreaded curse of Thiel, so good and so terrible at the same time. It's a long story.
I haven't heard my E's with tubes, but the guy who sold them to my demo'd them very convincingly with one of those $30 Sonic Impact chip amps.I bought my pair locally for $260, and the woofers had been recently refoamed.
You lucky son of a gun! Great looking table and terrific deal.
Considering that I was about to spend up to $2000 on a cartridge alone, this was a no brainer. It's almost as if I got the Table, Arm, and VPI 16.5 for free.The seller bought the cartridge new and had a vinyl collection of about 40 albums. It does not have many hours at all.
I always feel bad for my local delers when I buy used gear like this, but how the hell can anyone pass something like this up?
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