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In Reply to: Re: That's an incoherent response, with so many inaccuracies I hardly know where to start. posted by royphil345 on April 21, 2007 at 07:49:17:
Actually, I didn't call you stupid, but your response here and below does tend to lead a person to that conclusion.Regarding becoming informed on the subject: try reading these two articles which I wrote on the subject of cartridge alignment and which contain most of the answers.
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/messages/62571.html
http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/vinyl/messages/62570.htmlFor the record, I have aligned a cartridge in a Technics turntable, and verified for myself that the null radii when the cartridge is squared in the headshell are not 66.0mm and 120.9 mm.
The readers can make their own minds whose measurements are accurate.
BK
Follow Ups:
Using a STANDARD Baerwald protractor (or the Technics tool), my cart is square in the headshell and perfectly aligned... See?http://www.picturepuppy.com/images/royphil345/null1.jpg
http://www.picturepuppy.com/images/royphil345/null2.jpgAlthough... Aligning the line on the Geo-Disc with the tonearm's pivot point as directed... The needle lands a country mile from the point the Geo-Disc says is "correct".
http://www.picturepuppy.com/images/royphil345/geo.jpg
The Geo-Disc is absolutely worthless for getting a proper Baerwald alignment on the Technics!!! The other protractor in question shares a similar design.
So who looks stupid? Mr. Baerwald? The designers of the Technics turntable or alignment tool? Me?... It's you... for believing everything you read and taking the claims made by manufacturers about products as facts... and then acting like a rude, know-it-all about it in addition.
this is hard to do. obviously, it isn't lined up properly. you can't verify it, i can't verify it, and this is the problem with such a tool. see?
Uh...No... It's not that hard to do...
Was lined up....
the tools that require you to line up towards the arm pivot allow for easy error. since the line/pointer on the geodisc does not extend all the way to the arm pivot point, you nor I can verify that you had it lined up properly. this, really, is where the discussion should end. as John Elison would say,Good luck
"this, really, is where the discussion should end. as John Elison would say,"No...
You nasty, whiny, bitche$ argued and argued, whined, called names etc... WITHOUT TRYING IT AND KNOWING WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!
This discussion should have ended BEFORE THAT. If you didn't know for sure, you had nothing worthwhile to add, PERIOD.
Bet your daddy's are proud of you nasty little girls... wherever they are... right???"
It doesn't take a brain surgeon to line up the very long sight-line on the Geo-Disc with the pivot point that's easily visable on the Technics. I'm a good shot... I actually gave you guys about a 16th of an inch because I knew the argument would come up. I'll give you that it is hard to tell by the photo... Very hard shot to take properly...Do you really think it's that hard??? What's wrong with all you incompetent, whining sissy boys on this site??? This product is designed so that even idiots can align their cartridge. Unfortunately, like all designs where a line has to be lined up with the pivot point, it won't work well with all tonearm lengths, placements, and angles.
BOTTOM LINE... THE RESULTS STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH THOSE OBTAINED USING THE TECHNICS ALIGNMENT TOOL OR THE STANDARD BAERWALD PROTRACTOR THAT MATCHES THE TECHNICS TOOL PERFECTLY. THIS IS A FACT. I REPEAT... A FACT, REALITY GENTLEMEN... TRY IT YOURSELF OR JUST SHUT THE F' UP. HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITHOUT KNOWING THE TRUTH? JUST PLAIN IGNORANT AND RUDE. SCREW YOURSELF YOU INGNORANT, WHINY, EFFEMINATE, INCOMPETENT LITTLE GEEKS!!!
Mr Stupid strikes again! NT
and I've had at least a dozen tables during this time. My results with the GeoDisc have never matched the guages supplied with the tables. This includes the Shure jig that came with the VMR.
Also I cannot use the Technics guage on 8 of my 10 shells which are the Sumiko HS12 because it has 2 pins, not one.
You really should cool it. Just because someone is rude to you, it does not mean you have to be rude in return.
Take the high road and be a gentleman.
nt
The pictures don't show anything, except your inability to cut a precise spindle hole in a paper protractor which you downloaded from vinylengine.com.I don't know what the picture with the Geodisk is trying to show.
And while finger pointing in on the table: you're the one who was an ignorant know-it-all in your first post here.
READ IT AGAIN STUPID
BK
It proves the Geo-Disc doesn't work with the Technics tonearm... unless the standard Baerwald protractor and Technics alignment tool are both wrong.Are you THAT much of bigmouth shi# for brains you can't shut up for a second and look at the facts???
The picture featuring the Geo-Disc doesn't prove anything, except that you're stupid!BK
Tape a 0.5-mm pencil lead to the front of your cartridge so you can compare it with the grid lines on your protractor. Then take all the same pictures, but this time from directly above so we can compare the pencil lead with the grid lines on the protractors. If you do this you will find that your cartridge must be angled inward slightly to achieve simultaneous alignment at 66-mm and 120.89-mm. In fact, it might not even be possible to get a proper Baerwald alignment because you might not be able to mover the cartridge far enough forward before hitting the end of the headshell slots. However, if you can achieve Baerwald's alignment, it should agree precisely with the GeoDisc.Good luck,
John Elison
"if you can achieve Baerwald's alignment, it should agree precisely with the GeoDisc."Nope... That's the whole point here...
My pics are obviously good enough to determine proper alignment or very, very close... Way closer than anyone who used a Geo-Disc and had to tilt their cartridge too... Swear to God... That stuff would not hold up at all when checked with the standard Baerwald protractor. I'm not trying to fool you.
With different tonearm designs... It's simply not possible to do an accurate Baerwald alignment the way the Geo-Disc attempts to do it. The Geo-Disc worked fine with my old table... not the Technics. Worthless to me now... Want it???
Seriously think about it... Is the Technics alignment tool that has come with the table for over 20 years flawed? Would Technics design the arm in a way that required the cartridge to be mounted crooked? Technics does utilize the Baerwald standard. Using the Technics tool and checking with the Baerwald protractor will verify this fact. Do I have to take pics of that too?
You give us bullshit pictures and refuse to present proper ones that can be easily evaluated because it would reveal your total stupidity and inability to align anything let alone a tonearm.You picked the wrong forum in which to pull your absurd scam.
Good riddance,
John Elison
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And for what... Sharing information and refusing to be treated poorly? What a loser... Go screw yourself pussy...
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effeminate... Good for you... I guess...And spineless too...
Thought you weren't going to respond to any more of my posts???
Definitely the Dr. Smith type huh???
I'm not responding to "ANY MORE" of your posts.
I'm brand-new to this thread, but caught a whiff of your charm from afar...You must be thinking of JE.
You might want to consider that we've all got good noses around here, though.
JD
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"You picked the wrong forum in which to pull your absurd scam."LOL LOL LOL
What are you going to do about it???
I DARE you do do something about it!!!
Goofball...
If my pics are a scam... Why did I ask and ask for someone else to experimerint and have some idea of what they were talking about before starting an argument??? That would be the proper way to go about it. Calling me a liar when you have no idea is just trashy and immature period...
I'll give you my address... Will you give me yours? Call me a liar then punk... Until then... Shut up sissy boy... Hiding on the net and acting how you think a real man might act... Very sad...
> What are you going to do about it???I'm going to ignore you like everyone else is doing!
> I DARE you do do something about it!!!
Okay! You just watch! This is the last response you will recieve from me. LOL!
"Okay! You just watch! This is the last response you will recieve from me. LOL!"
Finally... I hope you're serious... Is that supposed to bother me somehow???
Funny thing is... You guys will now be experimenting with this... finding out I'm right... improving you alignments... And this is the thanks I get...
Dream on!
The original question was about the turntable basics protractor which has two grids, not the Geo-Disc which has only one grid or did that slip your attention?And furthermore your rhetorical question: "Would Technics design the arm in a way that required the cartridge to be mounted crooked?" is stupid, because it suggests that the answer is obviously no, whereas, in fact, the answer is yes, if the user chooses to set an alignment which has a different linear offset to that proposed by the manufacture (the case if you opt for null radii at 66.0mm and 120.9mm).
And by the way you're the only person claiming that the Technics tonearm is flawed.
BK
I couldn't help noticing that many people's cartridges are mounted way too far forward in their headshells on this site... and tilted in the headshell...Fixing this really will improve your tracking. Take it or leave it... Food for thought... I tried...
Well you're going about in the wrong way Mr Stupid. NT
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