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In Reply to: On some lp's it is impossible to remove every pop and click posted by Olly on April 20, 2007 at 20:51:10:
was that records always have so much noise (pops, ticks, swish, dirt, etc.) that quiet 2nd movement type music or solo or chamber music could not be enjoyed on LP! I don't get it. I've never had that experience in 40 plus years of analog listening.
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I never meant to imply that one could not enjoy classical music on Lp. After all, I do enjoy it, my Lp collection is about 50% classical, and I listen mostly with headphones. But the claim of no noise is counter to my experience.
The dead silent cd background is cool, but not necessarily realistic as has been pointed out here. But, sure, LP's have some noise. But listen through that to the classical music. The nuances, bowing, the noise from the strings, the breathing of George Szell and concertmasters and cellists, the bass in the string bass of the Egmont music Szell VPO, etc. How about the power of Mick Fleetwoods The Chain from Rumors, the bo jangles as it were of the folk singers such as Kingston Trio, Baez, Mitchell, etc. These sounds are definitely to be enjoyed on analog.9 out of 10 non audiophiles visiting my home, and hearing analog done decently on a decent system are amazed that there is "no noise," and ask "what did you do?" My answer, "not much." Just clean thrifts, put in rice or nice sleeves, store, and rotate. FFRR points out that records get worse when played, and that's a given.
Maybe my system is more sensitive than others (although I doubt it), but, unless I have had the record from new, and been extremely careful with it, then you can always here SOMETHING, especially between tracks, and also in quiet passages.I think some people may be in denial, because records DO have surface noise. Some have noise from new, but most acquire noises as the are enjoyed. Good records may have no LOUD pops and clicks, but are seldom noise free for their lifetime. If you play them, you must take them out of their covers and expose them to the environment and accidental damage. There's no point in having records, and not playing them, IMO, so no record can remain perfectly silent. I admit I don't use gloves, nor do I keep them and my equipment in dust free airconditioned rooms, so maybe mine fare worse than some despite my care.
Funny thing is that I have a few CDRs of Lps and when I plug them in the car I find the noise [clicks, pops, start-in and cueing groove noise] is comforting. It's like "Yes, there you go, ahhh."
I agree. Low level noise is not distracting, and as you say, even comforting :-)
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No sterile conditions here. I cleaned a nice copy of Aretha Franklin today and placed it back into it's inner liner. Later in the day I decided to play it and by the end of side one the needle was covered in fluff. I looked at the lp and the static was attracting all the dust in the room. Just goes to show that there is a lot more to keeping them clean than the cleaning process. As for ticks and pops I think they are par for the course but some here tell a few porky's when they say that their lp's are mostly pop free. I tend to think if you have a valve system the pops and ticks seem to show themselves more easily. What are your thoughts.
OLLY
OLLY
I think the reason you might think the valve system shows the pops and ticks, might be related to the levels at which you listen. Valve (tube) systems tend to handle running at high levels better because, with all systems, distortion rises with power level, and valves distort more gracefully. Hence, I have found, you find yourself listening at higher levels more easily. This will make pops and ticks more obvious in the quiet passages.
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Very sensitive and show everything up which is good but can be a pain in the arse at times. Vinyl needs to be mint and this at times is not possible.
OLLY
Don't know if you've read my system page, but mine is even lower power, being 2A3 SE.Yes, as I said, my system may be very sensitive too. I think it reveals a little more than a lot of systems I have had the chance to really listen to, but there are so many I haven't heard, so I am reticent to really judge.
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