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In Reply to: Oh boy...that should read POPPING posted by BatNastard on April 13, 2007 at 19:59:04:
Sorry I could not resist.....Not a lot larger but get it at least as large. Somebody is going to slay me over this post.....
BTW, pick out some music with a really good hall sound. U2 recorded some of their stuff in Castles and others in Blimp hangers. With the silicone nitride ball the low level detail retrieval is equal to the task. It reduces friction to the point where you should be able to hear the boundaries of the room from the decay properties of the music. You can also clearly hear the difference of any overdubs from the studio they used. This will not have that same decay.
When I listen to Diana Krall I can clearly hear the air compress as she depresses the pedals. I can hear this sound as I play piano and it is intoxicating to hear it in an LP recording. Not many pianos are recorded as accurate as you will hear it on a Diana Krall LP. There are other sonic nasties and problems with her recordings but low level sonic retrieval is not one of these.
The silicone nitride balls really kicked up the performance level of my Rek O Kuts.
Glad to hear that you are liking it so far on your Thorens. Now take something with silly good bass and see if it does not sound more natural and effortless.
Bass is the most difficult thing for a turntable to get right. I spend a great deal of time getting it tight, extended and natural. No bass bloat or one-note bass for me. I really need to hear the fingers plucking the string and the sound blooming to a climax and decaying into the next note.
This is how it sounds when you stand next to a bass. I like to hear it that same way on my LP's.
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-- the sound of the hall. I can't wait to try mclaughlin/dimeola/de lucia "friday night in san francisco." I will try a few u2 records as well.Bass is definitely more natural/effortless. I will try John Legend but then again I think that bass was synth. Other instruments stand out better too.
I think clicks and pops are a little more pronounced. The crackling has gone away, oddly.
Am I right that I don't need the bearing to be "captive"?
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
No not for S&M....(I could not resist....)But seriously if your main bearing well is flat bored then the ball is walking along that entire surface so the contact point on the thrust piece is all over the place.
The captive mechanism is to center the ball on the main bearing thrust surface.
LOL, just kidding, I love being a Dad. But seriously, wouldn't the main spindle shaft keep everything centered since it fits in the well pretty snugly? Still, another good reason to get the right size ball (from Boca ). I'm still chagrined about forgetting that the Thorens would be metric...*sigh*
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
How is the appearance of the thrust surface of the Thorens? You might want to polish this piece if it is simply machined.Here is a picture of my thrust surface....oops that would put me in jail...my bearings thrust surface.....
Mine is just machined -- how could I polish it?
I'm getting a thrust plate from Joel Boutreux to go under the ball, since my bearing well is a td-160, which was designed for a conical bearing.
"The Blues ain't about makin' yourself feel better; it's about makin' other people feel worse!" -- Bleedin' Gums Murphy
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