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Courtesy the very highly respected UHF magazine***" Quite different is the Garrard 501, widely considered to be a classic (which some people pronounce o-b-s-o-l-e-t-e) from many years ago.
The design was bought by Germany’s Loricraft, which also makes record cleaning machines.
Loricraft was brandishing a German review claiming that no other turntable had lower rumble, including the legendary Linn LP12. Odd...considering that the 501 has an idler drive, not the ubiquitous belt drive. We would want to get a look at the test method...That wasn’t the only Garrard table we spotted. An original 301 was supplying sound to a pair of large speakers, the DeVore Fidelity Silverback Reference. They sounded good, though we would hazard a guess that they would sound even better with a modern turntable. "
Gee, that's too bad.
Guess I just don't know what to think.
Although, if I absolutely had to "hazard a guess" .....
I'd say that UHF Magazine doesn't know jack-shit about turntables.J.D.
( *** Anyone ever seen this circa-twenty-nine page pulp masterpiece ? Impressive, for it's....... brevity. )
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If the writer can't nail down the facts, anything else said is a waste of bandwidth.The Loricraft story is easily found with a Google search. Here's what I turned up in less than a minute:
"Loricraft Audio, was set up by Terry O'Sullivan, and is located in Lambourn, close to the site of the original Garrard factory in Swindon, UK. This has allowed us to have regular contact with some of their former employees and senior engineers over the past 20 years, giving us a unique insight into the design philosophy behind their world renowned idler wheel turntables. We are a very small group of dedicated"
I thought everyone knew this. Next, I suppose, this magazine is going to start offering tweak suggestions for these German made 501's. Won't that be something ;)
-Steve
there is a Loricraft Germany. For the German market and press there IS Loricraft Germany.It's like reporting Denon Germany told the press .... and someone says upon reading that report "how stupid Denon is in Japan and I can prove it".
I stand corrected. They are represented in Germany, a significant market for turntables.Maybe it was incompetent, ignorant and careless of me to call that writer a bad journalist. However, were you covering the event, and having knowledge of Loricraft's operation and whereabouts, would you tag the player as a product of Germany or England..?
Denon. Represented worldwide. My DL103-R says Denon, Ltd. MADE IN JAPAN
Perhaps some Denon products are manufactured in countries other than Japan. Germany..? (a guess) or maybe Phillipines, Singapore, Maylasia. Would it be fair game to call it a US company, since there is, no doubt, US representation..?
And since that employee is the one that goes to shows most of the time and shows her card with Loricraft Germany on it what else should a reporter report?
I guess I felt guilty of being harsh on someone I don't know.
I had a subscription that went on for about 3 years... they are earnest, and they mean well, and I especially appreciated that they used the same 3 systems for auditioning all equipment, and that all the serious reviews had reactions from teh same 3 reviewers. Hmm, lots of 3s there!In any event, they seemed a little closed off from reality... about 2 years late on any new innovations (or rearguard discoveries) in the audio world. And unbearably patronizing and condescending towards letter-writers, though I'm sure they help a lot of newbies.
I have no doubt they really don't get the whole idler-wheel thing. They lived through it the first time!
That's what a lot of these online reviewers think, anyway. I'm surprised you read it at all.
what they would have saved had they only gotten a fixer-upper idler off eBay!
Kind of defeats the purpose to claim that the Garrard tables are not up to modern tables and then use 70s based turntable as reference. LOL.Not very consistent. Not to say a fully maxed out LP12 is not a good table, but be consistent.
Die gefährlichste Weltanschauung ist die Weltanschauung derjenigen, die die Welt nicht angeschaut haben.
Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859)
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No Guru, No Method, No Teacher
But there are at least modern approaches out there...And yes, let's leave this question to the Linnies :)
Isn't even the mentioned Garrard 501 a modern execution of the classic 301 and 401?
Die gefährlichste Weltanschauung ist die Weltanschauung derjenigen, die die Welt nicht angeschaut haben.
Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859)
<> Yes, and Loricraft is British not German!
There are so many factual errors in that piece that it is almost like they've done it on purpose.
I have about a dozen issues of UHF and consider it to be an excellent magazine. The writing is very good and all equipment reviews are done by a panel of three people, two men, one woman. At the end of every review there is a section called Crosstalk in which each reviewer states their opinion of the gear in question. They also balance their subjective findings with some solid testing, albeit not as much as the typical John Atkinson test. Like any reviewer they're entitled to their opinion.There is a dedicated tech section where such things as room acoustics, speaker impedance, digital sampling, biwiring/biamping etc. are discussed in a very unbiased manner. Not to mention there is always a music review section often accompanied by musician or recording engineer interviews.
I don't know what issue you've got but the magazine typically runs 70 pages, and unlike other audio rags, there are very few full page ads.
That said, even though they make that comment regarding the Garrard, I have an issue (I think it may be the one containing the show report you reference) where one of them listens to a rebuilt Thorens TD124 (by Norma Hylee Tech, find them through Brinkmann's site). The comment was how he remembered the table never ran at the correct speed, but the updated one was pitch perfect and sounded fine.
I stongly recommend their books, they provide a great foundation in all things audio.
the deal with the name? I can't help but think of the pre-cable days of television (yes, kids, I'm that old! ) when the equivalent of public access was anything over 150 on the dial, or UHF.I guess it's better than the doltishly unimaginative 'Stereo Review', or maybe it's just a Brit thing, like trainspotting, or kidney pie.
Largely I was quoting them as a small, distracting bit of humor.But on the subject of taking them seriously, you've got to wonder about someone in a so-called 'reviewer' position who is willing berate Legendary -Level gear like the Garrard 301, or refer to the current Idler Drive 501 as not just 'obsolete', but yes, specifically 'o-b-s-o-l-e-t-e'.
Guess they felt they were being provocative, and kinda clever.
My opinion is that they are being kinda stupid .
At this point in the evolution of Analog LP Turntables, it is not only unwise, but in fact stupid, to rule out any of the technologies -- whether it's Idler, Direct, or Belt.
You may enjoy this variety of Audio Journalism, but "they provide a great foundation in all things audio" ??
I don't think so.
JD.
Oh I get the humour, the tempocentric concept that the latest is the greatest, but these guys love their tubes.The part about all things audio refers to their books. Which cover how each component of the audio chain works. Using analog as an example, they explain the function of idlers, direct drives and belt drives. In another book they cover amplifier topologies, different order crossover filters, digital circuits and so on. Yes, it might seem limited to those who are really into this hobby and who have access to the net to scour for new manufacturers and ideas; but, for anyone wanting to know what this hobby is about I still recommend the books.
I, for one, prefer all my frequencies to be not just high, but ultra high.
Sort of reminiscent of the Plethora Of Nuance that OMalley demands ......
no such thing as too much nuance!
The average listener could drown in all the rampaging sky-high walls of densely-clustered nuance around here ........... Whew.It's complicated being a hair-shirt persnickety self-loathing audiophile these days, I guess.
nuance rushing in and out in all directions at once. Overcome by it. a swirling phantasmagoria of it is what i want.I want slam, dynamcis that slam, with nuance.
everythings has to have nuance. I can't listen to it if it doesn't have it.
i am driven mad by the adsence of nuance.
That is one relentless and overwhelming uhm... accumulation .. of Nuance you got going there.Maybe it's just a migraine or something ?
Impacted wisdom tooth ?
Get well soon,
J.
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