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• The truly astounding thing is THEY are actually serious ! (NT) - Fred J 08:27:01 09/13/06 (0)
  In Reply to: 'Reference Audio Mods' certainly don't lack a sense of humour. N/T posted by Aleksunder on September 13, 2006 at 08:11:29:

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• All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report back? - Ray-o-Stat 08:22:06 09/13/06 (18)
  In Reply to: 'Reference Audio Mods' certainly don't lack a sense of humour. N/T posted by Aleksunder on September 13, 2006 at 08:11:29:

  Resonance is a funny thing.

  You never know.
  Perhaps they actually *do something* ?!?!?!

  ...um, or not :-)

  cheers,
  
  

  Close to the Edge, down by the river....

  -Ray

  
  
  

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  • Re: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report ba - Aleksunder 09:09:44 09/13/06 (16)
    In Reply to: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report back? posted by Ray-o-Stat on September 13, 2006 at 08:22:06:

    Well, even if they're serious (and it's different 'sonically' in any way whatsoever to a 'knob' made of any other (non-magnetic) material), it'd be intersting to hear how they contrived to come up with a price tag of $485 (plus shipping, of course - how much is $485-worth of insurance with DHL?).

    Maybe it comes in a nice little padded, silk-lined jewel-box made of the same wood(and 'worth' more than the knob itself?)?

    They're having a laugh alright, but at exactly who's expense, I'm not sure.
    
    
    

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    • How is this different than a $5k or even $10k phono cartridge? - Ray-o-Stat 11:04:58 09/13/06 (9)
      In Reply to: Re: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report ba posted by Aleksunder on September 13, 2006 at 09:09:44:

      An audiophool product is an audiophool product.

      My assertion had nothing to do with the cost of the knobs.
      I agree that you have to be a freakin' nutcase to pay the money for that thing.

      My question had to do with investigating whether there were even a sonic change, in replacing stock brass, aluminum, or whatever knobs, with the wooden ones.

      What can I say? As a tweaker at heart, I am willing to give anything at least one shot to show me its "stuff".

      cheers,
      
      

      Close to the Edge, down by the river....

      -Ray

      
      
      

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      • Re: How is this different than a $5k or even $10k phono cartridge? - Fred J 12:16:01 09/13/06 (0)
        In Reply to: How is this different than a $5k or even $10k phono cartridge? posted by Ray-o-Stat on September 13, 2006 at 11:04:58:

        Ray

        At least with a $10k Phono Cartridge the designer / manufacturer could utilize very exotic/ extremely expensive materials, technologies and or manufacturing techniques that would influence established actual / rational performance perimeters.

        I would think even a Shaman would look askance at the $500 Wooden Knob, then again the Spirit of the tree it came from might be really PO'd ;-)

        Regards Fred
        
        

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      • Re: How is this different than a $5k or even $10k phono cartridge? - Fred J 12:04:43 09/13/06 (7)
        In Reply to: How is this different than a $5k or even $10k phono cartridge? posted by Ray-o-Stat on September 13, 2006 at 11:04:58:

        Ray

        I'd assume that the material the control knobs on a preamp for instance is constructed of, or it's mass, would seemingly have to be so far downstream of diminishing orders of magnitude, if indeed there were any effect or influence it would seemingly have to along the lines of -2.5 x 10 17th+, inaudible imperceptible and immeasurable to the point of
        non existence, no ?

        Could the knob of an attenuator have any theoretical influence on the circuit ?

        This is a job for Enid Lumley on Acid ;-)

        Regards Fred
        
        

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        • OK. Now I just have to know... - Ray-o-Stat 12:27:18 09/13/06 (1)
          In Reply to: Re: How is this different than a $5k or even $10k phono cartridge? posted by Fred J on September 13, 2006 at 12:04:43:

          Have you ever witnessed Enid Lumley on acid? ;-)

          Cheers,

          
          

          Close to the Edge, down by the river....

          -Ray

          
          
          

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          • Indirectly - Fred J 12:48:12 09/13/06 (0)
            In Reply to: OK. Now I just have to know... posted by Ray-o-Stat on September 13, 2006 at 12:27:18:

            
            By virtue of some of Enid's theories I figured we're talking about
            either very stiff doses of Blotter Acid and or Peyote ;-)
            Based on my assumptions regarding the delusional limitations
            characteristic of ordinary garden variety Schizophrenia ?

            
            Regards Fred
            
            

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        • the purist method - OMalley 12:15:11 09/13/06 (4)
          In Reply to: Re: How is this different than a $5k or even $10k phono cartridge? posted by Fred J on September 13, 2006 at 12:04:43:

          would be to remove all knobs from the signal path. Just bar switch handles. Adjust with a pair of plyers. The sound is much cleaner, loss of heavyness is sensed.

          Knobs pick up airborn vibration which is then imparted to the chassis which then is fed to the circuit via pcb or connections. This vibration or resonance, as we like to call it in the industry, can be tweaked with said knobs. Wood for a warmer sound, stainless steel for that cold detail. Removing the knobs altogether approaches neutrality.

          We have a service where you can send your knobs to us and we will throw them out for $750. The purist approach, less is more, always costs more.
          

          ~Slainte,
          The OMalley
          
          

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          • Exactly why I posed the question... - Ray-o-Stat 12:34:45 09/13/06 (0)
            In Reply to: the purist method posted by OMalley on September 13, 2006 at 12:15:11:

            I know that tweaking footers, and placing items on top of chassis, change the resonance of a component and therefore manifest sonic changes.

            I was just wondering if changing knobs could possibly make the same sort of audible change? I find it difficult to believe that you can impart a "warmer" sound from a component by simply changing from metal to wooden knobs, for instance.

            That being said, I have ear-witnessed what would seem the unexplainable, so I have an open mind on such things until proven otherwise.

            So, that said. Anyone game at making a few DIY knobs for a couple of bucks and finding out?

            cheers,
            
            

            Close to the Edge, down by the river....

            -Ray

            
            
            

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          • I don't know what you do for a living ? - Fred J 12:29:08 09/13/06 (2)
            In Reply to: the purist method posted by OMalley on September 13, 2006 at 12:15:11:

            
            But unless it's quite lucrative, you should be doing Marketing / Advertising for the Nose Bleed High End (Snake Oil/Wacko/ Psycho side of things)

            Seriously you have it down pat, Pat ;-)

            Regards Ferd
            
            

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            • Re: I don't know what you do for a living ? - Ray-o-Stat 13:01:21 09/13/06 (0)
              In Reply to: I don't know what you do for a living ? posted by Fred J on September 13, 2006 at 12:29:08:

              I'll try the snake oil all day long until it starts costing me money.

              That being said, I offer the sweat equity of "auditioning" these gems.
              Nothing more. :-)

              
              cheers,

              
              

              Close to the Edge, down by the river....

              -Ray

              
              
              

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            • Re: I don't know what you do for a living ? - OMalley 12:51:06 09/13/06 (0)
              In Reply to: I don't know what you do for a living ? posted by Fred J on September 13, 2006 at 12:29:08:

              see the post just above ... should i send him an invoice?
              

              ~Slainte,
              The OMalley
              
              

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    • Re: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report ba - Fred J 09:20:09 09/13/06 (5)
      In Reply to: Re: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report ba posted by Aleksunder on September 13, 2006 at 09:09:44:

      I believe this is way beyond simple unbridled avarice and is more
      along the lines of Misenthrophic wretched excess, no ?

      I'm fairly confident that there are folks that buy these and the sellers have nothing more than contempt and disdain for them.

      Regards Fred
      
      

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      • Buy some wood drawer pulls - Michael N 20:10:15 09/13/06 (0)
        In Reply to: Re: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report ba posted by Fred J on September 13, 2006 at 09:20:09:

        You will have to drill out the insert and replace it with a bushing that has an ID to fit the VC shaft. Or buy some large diameter hard wood dowel stock and do the same thing.
        
        

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      • and why not? - OMalley 09:32:32 09/13/06 (3)
        In Reply to: Re: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report ba posted by Fred J on September 13, 2006 at 09:20:09:

        here i have hanging from this hook a fools bag going for $485. There are fools on the planet and someone will eventually buy them. I would think they would encourage ongoing chats with a customer like that. They would love that customer...sort of like a hooker loves her john.
        

        ~Slainte,
        The OMalley
        
        

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        • Re: and why not? - Fred J 16:51:30 09/13/06 (1)
          In Reply to: and why not? posted by OMalley on September 13, 2006 at 09:32:32:

          
          All kidding aside, what goes around comes around, Karma whatever you care to call it.

          Whom ever is selling these, is going to re-incarnate as a Japanese
          Crotch Cricket living on the Skankiest Ho in Olongapo :-0
          
          

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          • instant karma - OMalley 18:59:34 09/13/06 (0)
            In Reply to: Re: and why not? posted by Fred J on September 13, 2006 at 16:51:30:

            whoever came up with that is an a$$hole and thusly they are karmatized.
            the people who buy it are fools and instantly karmatized too.

            what goes around comes around so fast you hardly realised it happened. :-)
            

            ~Slainte,
            The OMalley
            
            

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        • Re: and why not? - Fred J 10:01:31 09/13/06 (0)
          In Reply to: and why not? posted by OMalley on September 13, 2006 at 09:32:32:

          " I would think they would encourage ongoing chats with a customer like that."

          I would think the Mailing list of poor bastards that are addled Dismal and or challenged to that degree would be worth some very serious money to the other Industry anti social opportunists / dirt bags, I don't believe I've ever met a Hooker that had a suitably anti social personality to F#@K anyone to that degree.

          Then again I've never had any S&M inclinations.
          
          

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  • My experiences with them - Fred J 08:46:09 09/13/06 (0)
    In Reply to: All kidding aside... Perhaps there is someone here that is handy with wood and would like to DIY them and report back? posted by Ray-o-Stat on September 13, 2006 at 08:22:06:

    Ray

    When I first encountered the Silver Rock Signature Knobs
    I found the idea so utterly compelling I bought out their entire
    on hand stock (unfortunately they don't offer any volume discounts) put them on all my components even the old cassette Deck in my garage, my Kitchen stove etc.

    And from the moment I fired of my Bose Wave and threw on a Wm. Hung
    LP on my Soundesign TT, I was transported to Audiophile Nirvana !
    absolutely blown away ! to the extent that once they were off back order I snagged a few more which I have strategically placed around the room replacing my Shun Mook Magic Rocks and as hard to believe as this may sound ? They are even better, they smoked the Shun Mook Magic rocks !

    I don't know if it's the C37 magic Snake Oil lacquer or what, but
    these Puppies really sing, I'm kinda thinking it's the C37 because
    they refused to respond to my repeated question regarding the Snake Oil an to it's being a synthetically derived or natural Snake oil
    so I suppose when you've hit open anything this great you'd be closed mouth, no ?

    Regards Ferd

    
    
    

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