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In Reply to: ? on adding mass to tonearm with blu-tak..... posted by blake on September 12, 2006 at 20:04:45:
i have added blu tac on top of the headshell but it wasn't enough weight to make a difference. I added a NYC subway token coupled w/ blu tac and it make a big difference.There is a company that makes nicely cut little things you place along the tonearm - this is not to add weight so much as to dampen the tonearm.
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Ya just gotta love that kind of Parasitic " Fleecing the validation addled perfectionistic Chump Flock " Marketing, did you ever catch these ? The Silver Rock Signature Knob this makes the Magic rocks look valid !Regards Fred
These morons call this product a lacquer, and recommend you thin it with turpentine, or any oil based thinner. This immediatly tells you it isn't lacquer, which of course they tell you a sentence or 2 later when they call it varish. Why beech, why not rosewood, or a zillion other varieties. What unbelievable taurus excrementum.
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they forgot to add a little sandpaper with it.They look nice in a grandmotherly sense, though.
Your taking the time to comment on this, as I assumed you'd
be chomping at the bit to whip out the VISA and get on the hook
to get a few of these babies on your Stage, Pre etc. and start deriving the mass quantities of subtle nuance and sonic bliss
they doubtless provide.Damn thoughtful of you Pat ;-)
Yo Ferd,it is quantities of nuance i am after. a small ammount of nuance will never do. more nuance can turn things into a "night and day" difference.
@ $485 that is definitly the good wood. nice little knob and for that ammount of money i would want them to come over and polish it for me.
In Philly I used to ride the Hardley Ableson Pan head across the River to Jersey and hit some of the Mob clip joints on Ladies Night's and most always found volunteers to polish my knob for free ;-)
Admital Wilson blvd. was the strip. Avenue of the arts, if you will. A string of please touch museums. All gone. You can still get a tattoo and some gas.hookers and the service go together ... so do crabs and vd. tiny livestock and the world of science. learning experiences = stiches.
a couple of gentlemen "using parking meters for walking sticks". I love it here.
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Resonance is a funny thing.You never know.
Perhaps they actually *do something* ?!?!?!...um, or not :-)
cheers,
Close to the Edge, down by the river....
-Ray
Well, even if they're serious (and it's different 'sonically' in any way whatsoever to a 'knob' made of any other (non-magnetic) material), it'd be intersting to hear how they contrived to come up with a price tag of $485 (plus shipping, of course - how much is $485-worth of insurance with DHL?).Maybe it comes in a nice little padded, silk-lined jewel-box made of the same wood(and 'worth' more than the knob itself?)?
They're having a laugh alright, but at exactly who's expense, I'm not sure.
An audiophool product is an audiophool product.My assertion had nothing to do with the cost of the knobs.
I agree that you have to be a freakin' nutcase to pay the money for that thing.My question had to do with investigating whether there were even a sonic change, in replacing stock brass, aluminum, or whatever knobs, with the wooden ones.
What can I say? As a tweaker at heart, I am willing to give anything at least one shot to show me its "stuff".
cheers,
Close to the Edge, down by the river....
-Ray
RayAt least with a $10k Phono Cartridge the designer / manufacturer could utilize very exotic/ extremely expensive materials, technologies and or manufacturing techniques that would influence established actual / rational performance perimeters.
I would think even a Shaman would look askance at the $500 Wooden Knob, then again the Spirit of the tree it came from might be really PO'd ;-)
RayI'd assume that the material the control knobs on a preamp for instance is constructed of, or it's mass, would seemingly have to be so far downstream of diminishing orders of magnitude, if indeed there were any effect or influence it would seemingly have to along the lines of -2.5 x 10 17th+, inaudible imperceptible and immeasurable to the point of
non existence, no ?Could the knob of an attenuator have any theoretical influence on the circuit ?
This is a job for Enid Lumley on Acid ;-)
Have you ever witnessed Enid Lumley on acid? ;-)Cheers,
Close to the Edge, down by the river....
-Ray
By virtue of some of Enid's theories I figured we're talking about
either very stiff doses of Blotter Acid and or Peyote ;-)
Based on my assumptions regarding the delusional limitations
characteristic of ordinary garden variety Schizophrenia ?
would be to remove all knobs from the signal path. Just bar switch handles. Adjust with a pair of plyers. The sound is much cleaner, loss of heavyness is sensed.Knobs pick up airborn vibration which is then imparted to the chassis which then is fed to the circuit via pcb or connections. This vibration or resonance, as we like to call it in the industry, can be tweaked with said knobs. Wood for a warmer sound, stainless steel for that cold detail. Removing the knobs altogether approaches neutrality.
We have a service where you can send your knobs to us and we will throw them out for $750. The purist approach, less is more, always costs more.
I know that tweaking footers, and placing items on top of chassis, change the resonance of a component and therefore manifest sonic changes.I was just wondering if changing knobs could possibly make the same sort of audible change? I find it difficult to believe that you can impart a "warmer" sound from a component by simply changing from metal to wooden knobs, for instance.
That being said, I have ear-witnessed what would seem the unexplainable, so I have an open mind on such things until proven otherwise.
So, that said. Anyone game at making a few DIY knobs for a couple of bucks and finding out?
cheers,
Close to the Edge, down by the river....
-Ray
But unless it's quite lucrative, you should be doing Marketing / Advertising for the Nose Bleed High End (Snake Oil/Wacko/ Psycho side of things)Seriously you have it down pat, Pat ;-)
I'll try the snake oil all day long until it starts costing me money.That being said, I offer the sweat equity of "auditioning" these gems.
Nothing more. :-)
cheers,
Close to the Edge, down by the river....
-Ray
see the post just above ... should i send him an invoice?
I believe this is way beyond simple unbridled avarice and is more
along the lines of Misenthrophic wretched excess, no ?I'm fairly confident that there are folks that buy these and the sellers have nothing more than contempt and disdain for them.
You will have to drill out the insert and replace it with a bushing that has an ID to fit the VC shaft. Or buy some large diameter hard wood dowel stock and do the same thing.
here i have hanging from this hook a fools bag going for $485. There are fools on the planet and someone will eventually buy them. I would think they would encourage ongoing chats with a customer like that. They would love that customer...sort of like a hooker loves her john.
All kidding aside, what goes around comes around, Karma whatever you care to call it.Whom ever is selling these, is going to re-incarnate as a Japanese
Crotch Cricket living on the Skankiest Ho in Olongapo :-0
whoever came up with that is an a$$hole and thusly they are karmatized.
the people who buy it are fools and instantly karmatized too.what goes around comes around so fast you hardly realised it happened. :-)
" I would think they would encourage ongoing chats with a customer like that."
I would think the Mailing list of poor bastards that are addled Dismal and or challenged to that degree would be worth some very serious money to the other Industry anti social opportunists / dirt bags, I don't believe I've ever met a Hooker that had a suitably anti social personality to F#@K anyone to that degree.
RayWhen I first encountered the Silver Rock Signature Knobs
I found the idea so utterly compelling I bought out their entire
on hand stock (unfortunately they don't offer any volume discounts) put them on all my components even the old cassette Deck in my garage, my Kitchen stove etc.And from the moment I fired of my Bose Wave and threw on a Wm. Hung
LP on my Soundesign TT, I was transported to Audiophile Nirvana !
absolutely blown away ! to the extent that once they were off back order I snagged a few more which I have strategically placed around the room replacing my Shun Mook Magic Rocks and as hard to believe as this may sound ? They are even better, they smoked the Shun Mook Magic rocks !I don't know if it's the C37 magic Snake Oil lacquer or what, but
these Puppies really sing, I'm kinda thinking it's the C37 because
they refused to respond to my repeated question regarding the Snake Oil an to it's being a synthetically derived or natural Snake oil
so I suppose when you've hit open anything this great you'd be closed mouth, no ?Regards Ferd
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