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Reference #34 found in a NYC residential garage. Obviously it suffers from neglect. Does anyone have further information about this table..?-Steve
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Hey, I have a card table just like that one and the chairs to match!
My calculations say you are therefore one-millionth of the way there !
Congrats !!You gotta start somewhere.
SteveNot certain, but I believe that puppy may be a factory special order custom Ultra Gauche special that was the show piece in a High End Bulgarian Bordello. ;-)
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Maybe this will bring vinyl to the ganster rap crowd....
Hmmm, now that you mention it, it's got the looks for it.But it's a belt drive, no good for back-scratching. After breaking off a few vdH cantilevers, yer average self respecting DJ would likely toss this thing out into the garage too.
-Steve
Then contract for additional entertainment!I am fond of my Thorens table. If I had more room I would love to keep it. My idlers have slightly better vocals and piano sound more realistic.
Bass slam and prat go the the idler big time, but it is noisy in the background compared to the Thorens.
Me too. Hear it in my listening room, that is. When it comes to comparisons between idlers, dd and bd I wonder if all bets might be off with this model. A suspended belt drive design with a -massive- floating chassis and a massive platter to match.The Reference was a r&d exercise on the part of Thorens to produce the best sounding turntable that they could based upon everything they had learned up to that point....
( Even though the company was mass producing belt drive models at the time, Thorens was a company that knew something about idler drives.)
In spite of it being done as a research project, the company did offer these to the public in a limited edition of 100 numbered examples. Going price was around $10,000.00 (late seventies US Dollars). You put your money down with a Thorens dealer, chose color and then waited for the chaps back in Lahr to hand-build one of these monsters-- just for you.
So far I've seen photos of these in green, charcoal and white. Foggy memory but maybe I saw a photo of a blue one, somewhere. Based on what they learned producing the Reference, Thorens went on to produce the Prestige, which became the flagship of their line until the last days.
Actually, its mine. I bought a Lenco because of the Audiogon thread and threw that overpriced piece of gold plated junk in the garage. Can't believe you guys have a picture of it- that's a violation of privacy. Who sent the paparazzi?You should be ashamed of yourselves!
Anyway, the Lenco kicks but on the Ref. PRAT, PRAT, PRAT galore!
Somehow, that garage door just doesn't look like it could be part of Oswald's Mill. Nice try, though.
even without a squinky-face. (-:
How many References were ever made ?Makes you a little dizzy looking at the folding card-table underneath holding this monster ..........
The official number is 100. A limited edition kind of thing. The real number of References out there is unknown. There is some heresay/rumors about employees building their own, etc.
...at least they are environmentally oriented.I am sure the original owner would be sad to see this one.
Die gefährlichste Weltanschauung ist die Weltanschauung derjenigen, die die Welt nicht angeschaut haben.
Alexander von Humboldt (1769-1859)
Hmm, it wasn't next to an abandoned 1961 250 GT California under a sheet, was it?What a find!
Yeah. That's what you'd expect, sitting next to a vintage Ferrari. Kinda fun to speculate how this might happen.
Here's mine:
Perhaps a long deceased original owner, surviving family disinterested until they discover the cash value of the thing.
I visited a home in Nashville a few years ago where there was a new Ferrari Testarossa sitting outside that was covered with leaves and mildew. I commented on the nice car to the lady of the house who explained that it was her birthday present to her husband who drove it only once because it was too hard to get in and out of. I told her that my birthday was soon, but she just smiled.To more people than you might think that turntable is nothing more than a trinket because everything is relative.
dated now, in a Countach sort of way. You know, veering towards a 16 year-old-kid's idea of a cool car.I'll admit, I liked the looks when they first came out, but then, I was a lot closer to sixteen.
I'd imagine in that kind of "Niche market" you have to have a firm hand on the markets pulse, so when the market research showed the
current Demographic trend shifting clearly away from the well heeled
car enthusiasts over to Hip Hop Artists, Producers Turntable Manufacturers and Cocaine Cowboys the design department had their work cut out for them and they came up with as tacky and gauche animage as they could in the time available.I don't know about you, but I cancelled my standing order and went the new Aston Martin Vanquish ;-)
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Sadly the closest I'll ever come to that kind of Iron is I was once rear ended on my Airhead by a Rolls Cor niche in Glennie Illinois, fortunately I can do an instinctive Aikaido Roll which I did, and managed to avoid getting nailed by the cross traffic, I was sitting against a tree with the shakes and the driver comes up in tears in considerably worse shape than I was, he was inconsolable I finally calmed him down assured him I was fine and my bike was fine I one of my Napoleon Bar-end Mirrors was toast and I had a broken clutch lever
he was on the brakes hard enough that his bumper hit my rear tire
he couldn't have been going much over 5 MPH enough to send me over the bars however, I talked him out of the Med Flight he was going to call in, told him $200 in cash and All's cool, I was telling him a joke when I finally glanced over and saw his car was a new Corniche
I told him "you're lucky UI didn't know I was being hit by a Rolls" he said why is that, I replied "I'd still be out in the intersection
screaming, Don't move me call my Lawyer ! I mean the Doctor", he laughed and said the joke would be on me as it was leased
The Testarossa always looked ridiculous to me, with all the slats or whatever along the sides of the car.But the original Countach LP400 (before all the wings and crap) was a great design, especially for the early 70s.
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Just add some gold chains and an eight-ball and you're there, dude.
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"Me? I pick up bent nails in parking lots."Me too. Straight nails and screws also. But the motive is to keep the air in my tires -- in my tires. 8-)
later,
-Steve
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