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In Reply to: Re: It makes sense they would design it like thier cd player. posted by SirAnthony on December 17, 2005 at 01:28:02:
I agree 100% that the JD100 is a great way to add some tube warmth and otherwise MIA soundstage to a typical or underachieving SS system. Used in those systems, in a word I'd call its effect "revolutionary". It really is the bomb when coupled to a surround receiver and even some of the better Japanese, Mid-Fi amps.
I disagree about how veiled the sound is though. Incredibley is not a good adjective, perhaps "somewhat" or "comparably" would be more appropriate. It does sound better than many cheap players just in terms of tone and weight, without regard to clarity also. It is also unfair to compare the sonic output of the JD9 to that of the JD100, as well as the value each represents. Their only similarity is the vacuum tube output and the heavy casework. The JD9 is much more affordable and not only serves a different function, but handles it differently. The JD100 CD player has a true, dual 12AX7 tube gain stage and uses no op-amps in its output section. So it has a more full sound and is somewhat more veiled than the sound of the JD9. This is appropriate considering the different challenges facing the different formats (analog and digital) and I believe the implementations were therefore well chosen.
-Bill
Follow Ups:
Perhaps I am putting some of the faults of the 12ax7 on the Jolida. Also the fact that I can't find a CD player PERIOD that comes close to sounding as good as vinyl. I also can't say how the jd9 sounds as I have never heard it. I just made a guess. Nice work though.
you the same guy who said of the JD9, "Could it be the tubes are a buffer and not amplifying? If so I'm glad I didn't buy one."Perhaps you can point to a resource that articulates the universal ills of buffer stages in circuit design, or at least something that would help us make sense of your rational.
I can say in advance the it had better be pretty convincing since the idea of making disparaging remarks about audio components one has never even heard doesn't bode well if the idea is to inspire confidence in ones opinions, quite the opposite actually!
I said what I said based on my experience with tube CD players. Any resonable person should be able to tell I have never heard the JD9. Hence "I'm glad I never bought one". You on the other hand are obviously a troll. I really doubt anyone who has read this thread considers you credible.
your next phono stage commentary based upon your experience with CDPs ... tube or otherwise.Oh, and do let me know when you post on circuit design, buffer stages or otherwise, I'm sure to learn a great deal from that as well!
The question has come-up here a lot and so I hope that will help to put some of it to rest. Many people don't care for digital sound and when you have a really nice analog system it isn't easy to find a good CD player that you feel can convey the same warmth and natural sound. A lot of people find the Jolida unit to be close to this goal. It is hard to get out there and hear a lot of the offerings for many people so their choices and opinions are often limited by their experience. You will find an excellent CD player that you can live with if you keep up the search. They will never be as fun to handle and to read-over though!
-Bill
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