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In Reply to: "The Best of Pharoah Sanders" double LP Impulse 1972 - - Beautiful! posted by mr.bear on August 6, 2005 at 01:20:56:
I think he is the best living Saxophone player in the world, and if you get the chance to see him live he can still be absolutely amazing. Great tone. That said, two of the last five times, he was dissapointing (didn't play enough, and played with some African gourd musicians, letting them have most of the limelight.I did see him about a year ago with Ravi Coltrane and a singer (ala Leon Thomas [his name escapes me]) who was absolutely wonderful, as well as Charnet Moffett. Moffett might be the best technically gifted, stand-up bass player ever. Really incredible. Anyway, Ravi's inferiority as a player was just about pounded over everyone's head at that show. He is missing something, and not comparing him at all to his father, but just to the level of musicianship at that concert. I saw Ravi again with Sanders at another concert a year before and it was the same.
If you are into this sort of thing, you probably already know about them, but if you're not; check out Shepp, Marion Brown, Don Cherry, and The Art Ensemble of Chicago.
And as far as Sun Ra goes, the style you are probably thinking about is John Gilmore's.
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comparing and contrasting players is a big part of the Jazz listening experience, but I'm intrigued by Ravi...no, he ain't John, but neither is anyone else.Ten years ago I felt Branford Marsalis was interesting...he's become a damned good player.
I think Ravi's got what it takes to be great, we'll have to wait and see.
Yes well he is a professional and damn good, but IMO Sanders and John are on a different level. We will see, but I think you probably can tell already.
HJ
...if he can do gigs with players like Pharoah and Moffett. Saw him last year in Oakland with McCoy Tyner, Sanders, and Moffett. Wowzereenie. All Ravi had to do is not screw up. I'm close to saying Tyner is the most awe inspiring musician I've ever seen in person. Ravi is still a child comparatively but what a group to learn with! Pharoah was incredible, btw.
When I first began seriously listening to Jazz, reading everything I could, listening to everything I could lay my hands on, I realized that he was a genious. I knew nothing!!! I still don't, but Tyner blew me away and continues to do so!In the early 1970's, I stopped listening to ANYTHING except Jazz and Classical...around 1978 or so, I bought (new) a 2 album set called "The Milestone Jazz Stars". I didn't know the group had formed, I figured the name was an "all-star" LP of Milestone records' recording artists. The performance of "Nubia" on that album convinced me that Ron Carter, Sonny Rollins, and McCoy Tyner were the gods of Jazz!
Sleaze the day!
I get the feeling listening to McCoy Tyner sometimes that the piano itself is almost too small for him. Can't recall another pianist that conveys quite the same sense. He gives the impression that if he had another hand and another piano he'd play that one too and it still wouldn't be enough. Like he'd reach right out and play the whole orchestra if he could.I agree with what you said about Sonny Rollins and Ron Carter too. I don't know that much about jazz but I've learned to check for Ron Carter's name when I'm flipping through the used bin. As for Rollins, I really like Our Man In Jazz. What else is great by him?
I get the feeling listening to McCoy Tyner sometimes that the piano itself is almost too small for him. Can't recall another pianist that conveys quite the same sense. He gives the impression that if he had another hand and another piano he'd play that one too and it still wouldn't be enough. Like he'd reach right out and play the whole orchestra if he could.I agree with what you said about Sonny Rollins and Ron Carter too. I don't know that much about jazz but I've learned to check for Ron Carter's name when I'm flipping through the used bin. As for Rollins, I really like Our Man In Jazz. What else is great by him?
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