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In Reply to: Re: How many of you are back where you started? posted by Bold Eagle on May 7, 2007 at 14:19:43:
Haven't heard one. Only have heard the 97, but the V15 particularly the three is all the rave on most boards I read. Hmmm....maybe that's your point. I'm pretty happy that I went with a new AT440MLa rather than chasing after a used V15. Cost and the potential for problems with a used product convinced me.
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That's exactly my point. Back when they were new, the V15III got all kinds of rave reviews. I just had to have one. Got it home and it was awful(At least in my system)and I promptly went back to the M91ED.I'm not anti-Shure, I loved the M95HE and had many other Shure's from the M90/M75 series. (M91ED, M93, M75ED, M75EJ II, M75B II, etc) My second choice was the AT13Ea.
Back in my vinyl days in the 70's and 80's, I used Shure V15III and IV cartridges in SME 3000 II arms on my Thorens 125 and 160 turntables. I preferred them because Shure provided all kinds of gear for accurately determining the lateral angle, offset angle, overhang, etc. The had protractors/templates, stylus gauges, levels and test records for insuring lack of tonearm/cartridge drift, transient response, channel separation and accurate bass and midrange.It was a painstaking process setting up the tonearm/cartridge for optimum performance, but well worth it with the great sound those Shure cartridges could deliver. I also used various AT cartridges in extra headshells with good results. However, I would imagine newer cartridges would outperform 30 year-old Shure cartridges deteriorating with age.
The 3009 Series II had a synergy with the V15. The Grace 707 also did. I am not not suprised that you liked the combination. The parts that deteriorate in a cartridge are replaced with a new needle. There are lots of inmates on the Vinyl Asylum praising the V15 Type II/III/IV with Jico stulus. I plan to try one on my Type IV.Best wishes,
Dave,Thanks for correcting my mistaken assumptions about the deterioration of the Shure cartridges, which for mamy years provided me with outstanding performance and listening pleasure.
I am envious of your commitment to vinyl. Unfortunately, I have too much invested in CDs to return to LPs. As I mentioned below, changing from analog to digital is one of the biggest regrets of my life.
Regards,
With top notch turntables available for a song at trift stores and records going for a $1 or less, now is the best time to get into vinyl. You have to like 80's and ealier recodings, which I do. If you like classical music, there are truckloads of great albums out there.
I've been that route with all the gauges, etc. It does make a difference, and so does the resistive and capacitive loading.As far as cartridges deteriorating, it would be mainly in the stylus suspension, if they used elastomers that aged. (most do)
I just fixed an ancient perpetuum-Ebner TT for a friend and used a 30 year old Shure M75 body with a new stylus. Works very well.
Back in the early 1970's, I picked up a mint condition McIntosh system (MC275, C22 and MR67) with a rack mounted Ampex 354, and, except for occasionally replacing tubes, used it with great satisfaction for another 17 years.Unfortunately, I decided to sell the system in 1988 to a Japanese gentleman who was exporting Mac components to Japan. I was moving to a smaller apartment at the time, and, with a bad back, did not want to carry the MC275 with me. It was a real "boat anchor", weighing over 70 pounds. I also sold the Ampex, my Thorens 125 & 160 turntables and LP collection and converted to CDs.
Even though I got a good price for my systen at the time, I have regretted that decision ever since. After many failed experiments with Adcoms and Carvers that were supposed to eliminate the CD midrange harshness and shrill highs, I finally found some vintage 1970's Marantz receivers that gave me some of the warm tube sound I remembered from my Mac system.
For the past five years, I've been using a Marantz 2265B with satisfying results. However I still reminisce nostalgically about the Mac system I once enjoyed.
Regards,
Barney
Awful? I might not go that far. I bought one to mate with my Ariston RD-11s / SME3009 II (Improved of course) in '74. While later Ortofons, Sonus(es) and Denons easily bettered it, the V-15 was pretty decent.Fast forward thirty plus years. I'm using a M97E in the same combo with my garage system. While it does not have the resolution of a Dynavector MC in the main system, it is quite listenable.
Like everything else, it's all about matching. In my case it was not a good match. Biggest thing for me was a lack of bass, even with Double Advents.
if I may ask? It needed a pretty low mass arm.
It was installed in a Dual. Probably a 1219 or 1229, but maybe a 1015, which did have a higher mass arm than later Duals. It was a long time ago, and I went through a number of models back then, including a much tweaked up Garrard Lab 80. Now that had a heavy arm!I took a lot of mass out of that lab 80 arm, but never got it low enough for the compliant Shure models.
The V15 III had very high compliance. I am not suprised that it did not sound right in those arms. Remember the Grace 707? That was the kind of arm the V15 III liked. It was common practice at the time, to put a high compliance cartrdge in a heavy arm, but it was not a good idea.I have an M97xe in a 707. I checked the resonance with a test record and it was as good as it gets! It sounds great too!
Lot of the comments over on AudioKarma, particularly from the Dual spinners, would make one think the V15 is manna from the gods for vinyl lovers. I almost went that route because I also have a Dual table. But on the Vinyl Asylum the 440MLa was the rave and it was new. On a whim and the thought that most of those dual spinners were 12xx series owners I thought my CS 5000 was a bit more modern and would benefit from the AT cart. No real sense to the decision, just a bit of luck and it worked out well.One of the things about not being able these days to walk into the local audio store and audition the newest gear is that purchases become a through of the dice so to speak. I think that contributes to those sideways moves and moves backwards.
A bought a Dual 601 a few years back to get the V15 III off it. It was a very "special" sounding cartridge for 2 days until the rear glue joint cracked and I lost 1 channel. Tried a Shure 94, 95, and 97xE but none had the magic. Best replacements turned out to be an AT110E and an AT440Mla. I agree, used cartridges are risky.
Larry.
I like the M97xe in a my Grace 707 arm. I have a V15 II and a V15 IV but I don't trust the needles. I will put a new needle in the IV when to M97xe starts to wear down. There are a lot of people on the Vinyl Asylum that like the 440 though.
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