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In Reply to: Re: I don't think those guys are done fiddling with it posted by Steve Eddy on March 31, 2007 at 13:27:13:
You are very strange man. Sometimes you look to be decent technician and audiophile. But sometimes... Well, if we have discussion on Bybee you look full-length idiot. And I will explane why. You look as full-lenght idiot because you don't want to listen,listen,listen,listen,listen,listen... 1000 times listen.
Personally I put 2 sleapstrem Bybees in B+ supply line of my tubed pre and was floored by cleanising effect of devices. And I didn't suspect there was noise at all. So just try them and LISTEN. Or maybe you are deaf? It can be, I know of a lot of deaf audio designers and technicians in my country for example.
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You are very strange man. Sometimes you look to be decent technician and audiophile. But sometimes... Well, if we have discussion on Bybee you look full-length idiot. And I will explane why. You look as full-lenght idiot because you don't want to listen,listen,listen,listen,listen,listen... 1000 times listen.
What has listening to do with anything I've said beside absolutely nothing?
I could listen until the Green Party won the presidency and the hand-waving bullshit that's been spewed by Bybee and Curl wouldn't be any less hand-waving bullshit.
Personally I put 2 sleapstrem Bybees in B+ supply line of my tubed pre and was floored by cleanising effect of devices. And I didn't suspect there was noise at all.
Great. Glad you're happy.
Personally I prefer to not patronize those who blow smoke up my ass trying to sell me something.
Or maybe you are deaf? It can be, I know of a lot of deaf audio designers and technicians in my country for example.
Again, tell me what listening has to do with anything I've said.
se
mmhifi if your system has audible/objectionable noise, then your components are to blame. I have barely audible noise open input and with the attenuator at max. And I use tubes.
Buy quiet gear. The Bybees can't fix a gross noise problem, most of which is produced by the supply and is switching noise and its harmonics.
I agree completely, mmhifi. They have to listen, but they won't.
I agree completely, mmhifi. They have to listen, but they won't.
Tell me, John, how does listening change the bullshit claims?
If I tell you my cables are made of pixie dust, how would your listening to them change the fact that I'm just feeding you a load of bullshit? Are you claiming that your listening would somehow cause my cables to be made of pixie dust?
se
WOW!I'm new to this site, but had so much fun reading about this couldn't help but put my $0.02 in.
I've cut a few records in my life....some Gold, some Platinum, and NEVER heard of this device.
We used to use some vintage Neumann tube mikes, a decent console, Yamaha NS-10-M monitors, cut analog and digital, but never heard of this thing. Guess I'll have to look this up and see what all the hype is about.
In 1985 I modified a Sound Work Shop series 40, 56 input console and got it prety much flat from 35kHz down to 10Hz. Turns out the coupling caps were the sonic problem. Heck, the Op-amps are more than capable.
The sad thing was that when you took the output from the console to a power amp, then speakers (with cables), the whole thing went to slam.
So...If this thing is a super small value resistor, with some inductance, how does that improve the sonic quality of the amps and speaker cables. The cables, in and of themselves, are loaded down with resistance, capacitance, inductance....As Little Richard says in the GEICO ad...."Some body hep me".
The residual inductance is mostly in DB's test setup. Jack HATES inductance. Unfortunately, even a resistor has some inductance.
The guys who hate Jack Bybee are technicians who like to think of themselves as engineers, who don't understand physics, or even the implications of something made by physicists, except for what they learned in tech class. These guys are falling all over themselves and measuring the wrong mechanism. The resistor is only incidental to the actual working component. How many times do I have to say this!
Let's see. There's clearly a resistor *in* the signal path, as measured and as revealed when the extra casing is removed.So you say that's not "the mechanism". OK, what *is* the mechanism? Presumably something in whatever Mr. Bybee's little elves have put around the resistor.
So what causes what, by what principles? If this *is* physics, the answer should be clear and there should be peer-reviewed literature backing the mechanism up. "Physics" does not mean that you get to make things up.
I realize it's useless to press this as you've dug yourself in so deep, but trading on credentials is idiotic, and "implications of something designed by physicists" is a pretty good indication that smoke is being blown. In the absence of peer-reviewed publication and clear explanation, I have to conclude that when you people say "quantum" you mean "double-secret woo." One is reminded of an infamous piece of plastic with alleged but undetectable "quantum dots" a couple years ago.
CD, you have no idea what you are talking about. Many new phenomena are classified or at least considered confidential information.
When did you first hear about the Stealth fighter or bomber? In a peer reviewed paper?
Did you know that the semiconductor diode was classified info in WW2? The Germans would have loved to get a peer reviewed paper on it, back then. Their radar would have improved immediately, perhaps to the level that the British had already.
New concepts are trickle-downed from the establishments who first developed them, without necessarily first having them peer reviewed by someone.
Oh I get it, the Bybee units are going to be airdropped onto terrorist strongholds, where they will examine them, go into endless debate on the audio properties, and wind up forgetting about their AK 47's, and RPG's.
BRILLIANT!
Sounds like another classic case of "my job is so secret not even I know what it is"
d.b.
Hi Dan
I'm assuming your talking about http://www.rpginc.com/or did you mean Role Playing Games? if so the JC's definatley got you playing in the sandpit with the arch-demon of his netherworld Mr Eddy.
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Keep up the good work Dan.
Some people think that's my style of doing things; I say it's a definitive lack of style:)
d.b.
Pretty sad that when someone questions a ridiculously priced cable or some crazy tweak the person is nearly crucified. And the person is only a tech and not an electrical engineer or physicist or rocket scientist! So what?
Where is the FTC when cable and accessory companies make outrageous claims in their print ads? If a drug company or car company or any company other than an audio accessory company made such wild claims, they'd be slapped with a huge fine.
The whole audio industry is a joke if supposedly educated people can defend these claims. No wonder youngsters have no interest in audio equipment to enjoy their music on. They don't want to be brainwashed by the lunatics in this mad industry.
Hi Nightdog I agree and picking up another point you made"And the person is only a tech and not an electrical engineer"Is just a personal insult to anyone with an electrical engineering background with an enquiring mind.
The Oxford Engish dictonary defines an engineer as:
A person skilled in the design and use of engines or machines in any of branch of engineering.
A person with a higher qualification in any given subject, does not have the right to denigrate anyone else in that subject matter only a responsibility to educate them.
In fact such insults actually says more about the insulter than the insulted could ever say back to them.Hence I'm not in the least surprised Dan is more than a bit pissed off.
"The whole audio industry is a joke if supposedly educated people can defend these claims. No wonder youngsters have no interest in audio equipment to enjoy their music on. They don't want to be brainwashed by the lunatics in this mad industry."
I agree 100%.
d.b.
So I take it Mr. Bybee is exercising the most stringent controls to make sure that his little thingyrooers don't fall into the hands of our enemies. Otherwise it's pretty much curtains for the Free World.
You never know!
The resistor is only incidental to the actual working component. How many times do I have to say this!
As if you have any idea.
You denegrate others claiming they don't understand physics, yet you yourself have yet to demonstrate that you even have any understanding of physics beyond someone who paid half attention in high school. Because of this you have never been able to speak to the argument or to answer legitimate questions. Instead you resort to hand-waving and personal attacks.
You can only blindly defend Bybee by parroting what you've been spoon-fed by him and have no clue whatsoever whether what you're defending is even defensible.
Think about that before you go talking about what others understand and what they don't.
se
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