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Yikes, another Oyaide thread....The results were indisputably horrid. Bass is almost eliminated and all the excitement is gone. A hifi aspect like soundstaging is indeed improved but where my lps seemed closer to actually being in the room, they now sound like recordings. Amazing what one little outlet can do to a system. Bass is tighter (good) but what's the point if you can't hear it or if dynamics are gone? The table I use is known for drive, slam, etc...(high torque motor) so for a single outlet to eliminate these aspects is truly remarkable. It's been in my system all weekend including Friday night.
Today is *March 18th*. I am going to put the Oyaide where my refrigerator plugs into and let it sit there for three months. Look for a thread around *June 18th* where I see if there was any change with break-in from the refrigerator. This should be a very easy assessment. All I have to do is see if I can hear the bass, slam, and dynamics again.
Until June, I'm going to throw in something else. Anyone have any recommendations? Is there a better way to break-in these outlets?
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He's confident this will change things. Thanks Alan!
Even my well burned-in SWO-XXX sounded much leaner in bass compared to ANY outlet I've ever tried, including cheap 80 cent Levitons.
bass, not less. Every outlet I have ever tried differs; personally I like the cryo XXX the best of what I have tried (6 high end models).Steve
i'd contact the person who you bought it from, could be defective...i have 4 of these and a few other decent outlets...none of the good ones should reduce bass by ANY measure. that's actually what I spent the $ for!!
I have two separate well burned in units and both reduce bass. Or maybe its the glass half empty / half full, and the SWO-XXX actually increases upper midriange to lower treble.
Initially i thought they were deficient as well, but as they burned-in the bass came through with ridiculous force & tone.It is different bass to my ears, tight & musical & defined. I listen to a LOT of hip hop, so bass production is important.
Did you connect your gear to the SWO-XXX with the P-079 male Oyaide plug?? if not, try that before discounting the wall outlet.
this Oyaide stuff works as a system really well...just sucks that its so expensive. I have 3 power cords with P-079 male plugs but just can't fork out the $ to get the matching female plugs. So, i use Furu FI-11 AG iec ends which cost 50% less.
i'm a believer that the right male plug should be used to fully evaluate a wall outlet.
Putting it on your fridge outlet is a really good idea, don't forget to switch the plug from the top to the bottom occaisonally to burn in both outlets.
Sorry to hear of your disappointment with the Oyaide SWO-XXX. Is it the Ultimo series?Also, U don't mention what AC plug your using into the SWO-XXX? I found that an Oyaide AC plug, when mated to an Oyaide outlet, has a synergy that is very musical.
Maybe U have a plug/outlet mismatch as when I installed a SWO-XXX in my system, I did not have any of the results your describing but I did have to do a little system retuning to bring the frequency balance back in line.
Maybe U could explore the system retune avenue as once I did, the Oyaide addition brought musical rewards that were most appealing.
Cheers,
~kenster
So true, kenster.I find that a palladium Oyaide AC outlet is best mated with a warm sounding, big-bottom-ended AC plug (gold Oyaide, gold or Cu Furutech, gold Wattgate, etc.). When mated with it's palladium Oyaide AC plug counterpart the result is a ruthless "naked truth", so to speak (far too lean and analytical). I also find that a gold Oyaide AC outlet does not mate well with a gold Wattgate AC plug, but fine with a gold Oyaide AC plug (and likely a palladium Oyaide AC plug), while the gold and silver Wattgate AC plugs perform very well with both the gold and silver Wattgate AC outlets.
The Furutech Cu AC outlet is very open sounding, especially in the midrange, but presents a subdued treble energy (not to be confused with rolled off) and a looser, less articulate bottom end than what Oyaide and Wattgate AC outlets provide. The Furutech Cu AC outlet performs particularly well with a Furutech Cu AC plug, and fine with bare brass AC plugs, but if a listener finds the Furutech Cu AC outlet to sound a bit too laid back, a rhodium Oyaide or rhodium Furutech AC plug (with an energetic treble and tight bottom end) can offer nice synergy with the mellow sounding Furutech Cu AC outlet.
I also find a Furutech Cu AC outlet to sound more organic and to not present a grainy top end and pinched sounding midrange as compared to a Hubbell 8300H AC outlet, and find the tonality of a silver Acme (P&S) AC outlet to sound anemic, washed out, and to present a notably less engaging gestalt than what a Furutech Cu AC outlet (and Oyaide and Wattgate AC outlets) can provide.
Furthermore, one of my power line conditioners (Vans Evers Reference Model 12) features a single, non-duplex type cryo'd AC socket that can't be swapped-out with a duplex Audio Grade AC outlet. When a gold Oyaide AC plug is connected to it, the presentation sounds a bit skewed, and presents an irritating and fatiguing top end that's not unlike what some folks report about their unsatisfactory Oyaide experiences. When a Furutech Cu AC plug is connected to it, the presentation is substantially more coherent and the top end is more pleasing to the ear.
just my 2 cents
It could very well be a mismatch. I also have a SWO-GX so I have some options of moving some things around.I got the outlet because my system was sounding good and balanced and I was told the SWO-XXX is the most neutral. Reducing bass in the mix and dynamics by this unconditioned outlet is not neutral. I like what it did to the bass, there is just less of it. The effect is of an unneeded tone control where the bass knob has been turned way down.
All these comments likely mean little until I get the outlet back for Alan for some real assessment. Also, I hope we can keep the comments about what I am used to, what bass/dynamics should sound like, and how much bass I should hear in the mix to a minimum. I'm not going to get into silly arguments about what I am hearing or what I am used to.
Here is a link to my experience with Oyaide SWO-XXX and GX outlets. When I wrote it, I had decided to stick with the GX, but since then I put the Hubbell back in and really prefer its overall tonal balance. A lot of this has to do with the tonality of my other components. I get the feeling that the Oyaide outlets are probably a better match for a system that tips more towards the bass.
I found that it needed LOTS of burn in time. Had mine in for three weeks and I still found it hard and distorted in the lower treble. Took it out and put a gold copper furutech in, better tonal balance but missing something. A few weeks of the Furutech and decided to try the SWO-XXX again and gave it another 4 weeks and it finally started mellowing.Apparently the new Ultimo versions take even longer.
I tried a second SWO-XXX, so that both wall sockets feeeding my system were the XXX. regrdaless of how much burn in, the effect was too much. Found that my amps prefered the gold/copper Furutech and left the SWO on my front ends only.
I found the SWO-XXX to have a tipped-up sonic balance compared to the SWO-GX+, but I would not go as far as you in the description.All the Oyaide outlets provide more accurate bass because they lack magnetic parts and have very firm grips on the plugs. You may be used to an artificial warmth from steel parts in your old outlet.
HBL-8300I. I liked the way the soundstage was bigger, wider, and deeper sounding with my system. Everything sound better. Before the Hubbell I used a Levinton Hospital grade outlet wihich sound good but had a little too much brightness for my system but may be a good choice for a tube system. Let the outlet break-in for a month then sit a listen again, if that don't work then this outlet may not be the best match for your system. hope this helps!
....is a lack of proper conditioning. The new Ultimo's, due to their heavier and thicker contacts, require much more time than the original models. I am now conditioning the Ultimo's for 6 days (essentially 50% more), in comparison to the 4 days that seemed sufficient for the original model.
... I wouldthink you have a good idea there.
But these tweaks, whilst I know through expweience that these things have quite big effects, whether or not they are GOOD is a bit unpredictable and a lot of experimenting is needed...
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