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In Reply to: Re: Conundrum.. posted by madisonears on January 23, 2007 at 20:01:41:
madison: ""
Thanks for your colorful response. You need to read more carefully before firing torpedoes, or else I need to write more clearly. I'm an English major, and you're a cartoon character, so I'll let the public decide.""
I find that very few english majors really understand this scientific goop at all. That you attempt to discuss this garbage at all, I like..it is refreshing. I note that your subsequent writing makes the assumption that you wrote clearly..we disagree.madison: ""
In the first part of my postulation, I was discussing the effect of physical vibration on the mass of an electron. That is certainly negligible. At least we agree on that, I think.""Yes, we agree.
madison: ""
In the second part of the same sentence (begun with the word "while", which identifies a dependent clause and implies a subsequent clause not necessarily in agreement with the first), I was discussing vibration of all the devices (and their accompanying fields) inside a vibrating component, which will, in turn, cause their magnetic fields to move, which will most certainly affect the orderly movement of electrons. This is all perfectly logical and introduces no contradictions whatsoever.""As you may not have noted, my added post raises the possibility that you did switch from a single electron to a system view. But it took several reads of your tech talk to realize that you may be switching focus. At that point, in another forum, I would have simply edited to clarify, this forum doesn't allow that.
madison: ""
Your last paragraph about "experiments of nobel calibre" is barely coherent, and I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Perhaps these effects are not measureable, even with a nobel calibre (whatever that is!), but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I submit that possibly they can be detected only through careful listening.""There are some experiments performed in the past, where people have attempted to measure the inertia of the electron in a metal as a result of accelerating the metal. The term "nobel" refers to the prize, as in, the caliber of the experimental apparatus needed to measure this vibration effect on the electron requires extreme accuracy and attention to detail, as the effect is so very low.
As for your "submission", since the engineering world in general does not buy into this vibration stuff, nor most of the tweaks the audiophiles discuss, the only thing left so far is indeed listening..I certainly do not share the viewpoint of the "engineering world in general", as there is so much work to be done w/r to what we hear..
"Barely coherent", I guess is how "english majors" respond when they do not wish to be civil? That's ok, I don't mind..tit for tat as it were..:-)
madison: ""
Perhaps you should consider the applicability of the first law of civility, which is: if you don't have anything nice (or useful) to say, just keep quiet.""Useful is an interesting word.. that doesn't seem to keep people from discussing that which they know little of. Course, in a forum of this nature, it is expected.
Your not so clear segway from electrons to system was the classic bait and switch tactic used by many to give the "it all adds up to audibility" view, exactly like the "grain boundary argument" in it's uselessness. Only after reviewing your post multiple times, did I get the feeling that you may be trying to go "system" on us, as opposed to a bait and switch..Your followup post, regardless of your demeanor, shows that my initial take was in error, to which I apologise. As an english major, perhaps you may want to more clearly delineate sections, as it certainly had that "classic" feel to it..
And, btw, what have you got against cartoon characters??Cheers, John
Follow Ups:
Actually, I really like your user name, and thanks for the apology. I was trying to keep my reply as light as I could, and I'm glad you took it that way. Spirited discussion is what invigortates this forum. I really dislike the meanness that some posters exhibit. This thread is a classic example of someone with a limited understanding or outright bias seeking only to agitate instead of inform others. I'm referring to Mr. Martens here, whose only contribution was ridicule of others, and not very creatively done, at that. At least your criticism of my post was humorous. If it hadn't been directed at me, I would have found it much funnier, I'm sure. I'm glad you and I can find at least some common ground: vibration is bad, for whatever reason. I originally posted a response to the thread's initial topic, but Mr. Martens sort of hijacked our little craft (spaceship, Jimmy?) and took it into darker areas. Of course, as soon as he became critical of someone's expensively obsessive (yet, here at least, somewhat justifiable) solution to the vibration problem, he was mercilessly attacked. The poor fool: instead of just surrendering meekly and skulking away quietly, he stood his ground against an asylum full of maple/cherry/bubinga/balsa/corian/concrete/styrofoam/rubber/granite/ sand-filled-whatever platform-wielding lunatics. I'm sure he's off somewhere, measuring something and plugging the results into a sophisticated and complex equation that proves he's right. Oh well, if it weren't for engineers, we wouldn't have ANY of this crap to argue with and insult each other over.
....and I have no doubt that JNeutron can calculate the energy required for this effort right before our very eyes.
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madison: ""
I'm sure he's off somewhere, measuring something and plugging the results into a sophisticated and complex equation that proves he's right.""Geeze, that kinda sounds like what I do..:-(
Well, ok, cept for the "sophisticated and complex" part..
A pleasure.
Cheers, John
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