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In Reply to: Re: Another fake? posted by fatbottle on August 21, 2002 at 01:31:00:
Hey FB,
I've never seen the white silk screening line up so nicely with the tube's guts. It'd be nice if id did so I could say dispaly the logo on my amp....Ha!!! If nobody knew that I had BugleBoy EL34's, how could it sound good?
Follow Ups:
...well I've got GEC EL34's ! I paid for them with a $12 note a few years ago . Go nicely with my Mullard Kt88's and Telefunken ECC32's .
Yup, with a little bit of creative printing, you can have just about anything you want.
Hey-Hey!!!,
How do you get rid of the etched in "S" on your Mullard/BugleBoy creations? You can still see mine. I don't think the "C" will be any easier to get rid of either....
printing up a storm,
Douglas
After reading this thread I felt inclined to ask this person about the tubes. Here is a copy of his response. I personally would like to hear from other experts on this subject. If this person is selling fake products, ebay should be notified with proof.
"Hi! Thanks for your advise! It happen to me in every month!
The Mullard ECC83 that I posted in my auction are 100% geninue!Let me tell you a very brief story, one of them in the audioasylum" Micron"
is my competitor, She call me in every week and ask me to buy her bussiness
and with her good will at very expensive price. Now I understand why She did
this on me. This related to the bussiness and personal affairs, some one
mis-used the forums as an weapon to hurt others reputations.For your informations, if any tubes are rebranded, I will stated very
clearly in my auctions.
Dear AA members,I do not think that I am the only one on this forum, that formulates their opinions. If you type in the search bar WiWi or Bugleman, or Micronetics you will find the opinions of all types of AA members.
Please see below various opinions of other members and there are plenty more where those came from.
I think they are self explanatory. All are from different members.
Nicolas (I am a HE and not a SHE)Posted by domho7 (A) on May 21, 2002 at 04:44:09
I have just won a bid on ebay for some Tesla Gold pins tubes 12AU7s
Later I received email reply by bugleman, that it was his typo mistake and that it was not gold but silver.
Ia this a pure misreprensentation of items?
I have already taken this case to ebay support.Please beware when dealing with this chap.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1351817857&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1021779991&indexURL=0&rd=1
Posted by cdnull on May 21, 2002 at 07:23:15
In Reply to: Bugleman posted by domho7 on May 21, 2002 at 04:44:09:You could just refuse to accept the items, but that sidesteps the situation, don't it? Bugleman has quite a bad reputation around here, which he manages, amazingly, to keep untarnished on ebay. I have seen with my own eyes tubes that he was selling that were clearly relabels. He must sell enough real ones to keep his mojo workin', but he is not a good actor according to his past behavior. One more jerk that flourishes on ebay. We should make a list.
Posted by morinix (i) on June 05, 2001 at 18:39:16
In Reply to: Help me identifie this tube posted by BryanP on June 05, 2001 at 18:12:58:Read the threads about bugleman. You most likely a chinese or Ei nickel plate 12au7. Probably not a really bad tube but not what it was sold as. I used to think bugleman was all right until I saw a quad of Ei nickel plate 12ax7 being sold as telefunken, and rebranded as such.
Robert MorinPosted by twystd (D) on May 21, 2002 at 17:50:15
In Reply to: Bugleman posted by domho7 on May 21, 2002 at 04:44:09:Bugleman sells both fakes, and the real deal. You have to be careful with this guy. I really don't think you have a beef though. I don't know that Tesla ever made a gold pin, besides gold pins don't really mean much. Some very nice NOS Sylvanias had gold pins, wasn't so much the plating of the pins, just nice sounding tubes. Gold pins were Sylvanias way of distinguishing their premium tubes. He did clearly state that they were Teslas, you've got to know, or at least should know, that Teslas aren't worth that kind of money. Who knows, they might actually sound close to the TFK 802s, you never know till you try them. Some of the best sounding 12AU7s I've ever bought, were through Bugleman, and I'm pretty sure they were fake. They were E82CCs, had "silver" (nickle I think) plates, and were labled Philips/Miniwatt made in France, but I beleive they may be older E.I. tubes, not in current production. I got them for about $13 each, and they sound... "fabulous"!;^)
twystd
Posted by schneider on May 21, 2002 at 08:59:28
In Reply to: Bugleman posted by domho7 on May 21, 2002 at 04:44:09:Man, you've been had. He's a crook giving other honest tube sellers a bad rap...;-(
Posted by TerryGFitz on May 22, 2002 at 07:49:28
In Reply to: Bugleman posted by domho7 on May 21, 2002 at 04:44:09:Unfortunately, I didn't post a question here first. I bought a quad of NOS Mullard CV004's(12AX7's) from Bugelman and I am not sure if they are Mullards? Any ideas/resources? Thanks in advance.
Posted by Sector-7G (A) on August 09, 2002 at 21:39:19
In Reply to: I emailed him one time and he responded "I never sell fake tube". posted by Ken_ on August 09, 2002 at 20:40:07:Just keep this in mind, I only look and see and agree with asesment by others that this Bugleman is up to no good, what with reproductions and the like. no personal experience( and there won't be either ).
regards,
Douglas
Posted by Robert H. (A) on August 09, 2002 at 19:06:23
In Reply to: Does anyone know where I can get an Amperex BBoy logo? posted by Tromatic on August 09, 2002 at 18:23:30:Have you considered the Mullard logo? Bugleman can help you with a very fine reproduction.
Otherwise, if you insist on the Bugle Boy, perhaps Richardson Electronics?Would you like us to contiue to find more posts?
Nicolas (HE)
These are found commonly in the asylum.Posted by robert (A) on November 04, 2001 at 10:33:35
In Reply to: Re: Bugle Boy Fakes? posted by Chris Spafford on November 03, 2001 at 12:03:21:Interesting that you mention WiWi, the home of the notorious Bugleman, the MOSTEST and BIGGEST rebrander and counterfeiter in the tube business. If you want fake Bugle Boy, Mullard, Brimar, etc.. the source is Bugleman/WiWi.
Amperex was, of course, a HUGE manufacturer, both in the New Jersey plant and in the Holland plant (which was a different plant than the main Philips Holland plant). There are significant sonic differences in the various versions/vintages of Amperex tubes, generally speaking the Bugle Boy was a commercial brand, the top quality branding was the PQ. The 50's/early to mid 60's Amperex are better sounding, after which there was a lot of outsourcing, later Philips merged it all with the acquired Sylvania assets and dropped the name, quality was poor and in no way can a later Philips ECG be considered sonically in the same league as earlier Amperex.Photos are a very unreliable way to identify true Philips family production. The BEST way is to know and look for the etched date codes, which are virtually never faked, as well as tell-tale signs in the construction - the 4 seams on the top, the circle in circle on the base, the color of the pins meeting the spacers, the getter, etc.. This is the only reliable way to identify real Philips family construction.
Posted by Raanan (i) on April 22, 2001 at 22:52:30
In Reply to: Re: Anybody delt with WiWi Tubes in Hong Kong? NT posted by adrian on April 22, 2001 at 21:52:59:I believe that the infamous Bugleman sells a mixture of NOS and fake tubes.Couldn't tell you the ratio,but offhand,I would venture a guess that it veers heavily in favor of fakes.
Raanan
Posted by J Harris (P) on January 08, 2002 at 17:41:28
In Reply to: NOS tube dealers in Hongkong posted by oldfogey on January 07, 2002 at 19:52:58:...I purchased 4 boxed Brimar blackplate 12AT7s from him that are all brand-new fakes. Unfortunately I didn't discover this until a conversation with Kevin Deal months later (Kevin did not know where the tubes came from -- just from the descriptions). The like-new boxes and non-removable print on the tubes should have given them away to me anyway.
Live & learn.J!
Posted by WK (A) on September 26, 2001 at 22:47:29
In Reply to: Looking to buy tube boxes posted by Ehien on September 25, 2001 at 14:12:40:WiWi tubes in Hong Kong, whose moniker is Bugleman on Ebay, should have a good stock of tube boxes with printing such as Amperex, Mullard, Telefunken etc. that he uses to see his cheap Chinese made fakes. He will even age the boxes for you to look like they are 50 years old. Why don't you ask him to see?
Posted by TY (i) on June 07, 2001 at 12:03:09
In Reply to: Re: Help me identifie this tube posted by robert on June 07, 2001 at 11:49:35:"Mazda never themselves branded a tube as ECC802S"
I just wonder how you are so sure about that, Robert. Did you get confirmation from AEI or French Thompson-Houston?But if it is true that it was indeed a washed and reprint job by Bugleman, I agree it is totally wrong and unethical.
I told you before that I have a Mullard ECC801S inside a sealed military metal film-can container which said nothing but CV5763 on the outside. Can you suggest which fake artist will do a thing like that?
Rgds, Tim
Shall we look for somemore?
Seems faking has been going on for years.
Nicolas
Hi Nicolas,I am worried... I purchased a pair of Fullmusic 300B Meshplates from WiWi some months ago. Although I nvever had any problems with them, and they clearly sound superior than the standard Valve Arts they replaced, do you think they're also fakes eventhough they are not NOS?
FULLMUSIC 300B is a modern made tube. It is NOT from the Golden Age of tubes (pre-1965ist era) and is not "NOS" by definition.
> > > Although I nvever had any problems with them, and they clearly sound superior than the standard Valve Arts they replaced, do you think they're also fakes eventhough they are not NOS? < < <
---Pleas read my previous post AGAIN Richard. I KNOW they are NOT NOS. I just want to make sure that they really came from the original China factory of TJ/Fullmusic/Sophia/Allmusic. etc... In China or HK, they make fakes even of THEIR OWN products, you have to "know" the real deal and have an eye for the authentic. One example is of that gold Chinese Horoscope Pendant that has notoriously alot of fakes floating about.. Sadly in my case, there are no other Fullmusic Mesh 300B tubes here to compare mine with....
yes they should no where else make that fake tubes.
unless WE300B /
Thanks vintageguy. That's a reassuring thing to know.
What exactly did you ask this guy? I get the impression form his response was not entirely to the question "are your tubes fakes?" I won't trust him without a flight over there with a pack of friends and a sack of money, if I needed tubes. How hard is it to say what he did? there's an incredibble distance which protects him. If I had an easy waaay t prove finally that He's selling fakes, I'd do it.
regards,Douglas
I'm new to tubes and have no experience with them at all but I've been cruising ebay with hopes of finding some other tubes to try in my ASL 100DT. In any case, when I saw this post, it caught my eye. I was simply wondering how someone with so much positive feedback could be selling fake stuff. Either audiophiles are really stupid for buying them or there is some other explanation. Not being afraid to ask, I emailed the seller and told him about the thread so as to give himself a chance to explain. I posted his response in full. He was simply thanking me for pointing out the thread. I had no idea the two parties knew each other but I think it sheds additional light on the subject and shows there is always two sides to every story.
Hey-Hey!!!,
Let's look at this feedback thing. It always seems to be the final argument that what he is selling can't possibly be fake. If he gets a complaint, he refunds quickly and for all shipping costs. Kind of hard to post a neg if he takes them back. This only works if buyer spots the fake. Also requires buyer to be more concerned with principle than a reprisal neg in his FB file. Second, if he waits to post feedback until the buyer has either complained or posted themselves. If complaint, money gets returned and process starts all over again. If buyer claims brilliance in recognizing fakes, ol' Mr.B might just sell some real ones. He must have some to generate artwork from. I seem to remember seeing some eastern seller who claimed to have generated a large inventory whilst tubes were going for fractions of pennies on the dollar. Both could be true, though I believe that he is selling fakes at this time now, esp the more exotic and rare types. What are your thoughts on the feedback thing? I don't see any way to get this guy without spending a pile of money and then taking his reprisal negatives in the rear end. Or visiting all of his customers and examining his tubes. A process that I really don't want to take on. Were I independantly wealthy and prone to tilting at windmills, I'd consider doing this just to put a proper stick in his spokes.
And of course some tube-nut audiophiles are both rich and lacking in sense.
regards,
Douglas
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