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In Reply to: Another fake? posted by datubie on August 20, 2002 at 20:13:20:
Yes definately fakes, the branding is too bold and pronounced. The word "Mullard" on the logo of Tube is not correct, it just does not look right. However the same word "Mullard" is written out on the box as well.
Nicolas
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Fortunately I do not need 12AX7s. It seems like there are many fakes to believe you guys. Recently the Siemans CCa controversy suggests that they were not fakes.
Norm, the 14 bidders are unfortunate and irrelevant. That seller, discussed here so many times, has a very good feedback record and no shortage of suckers to buy from him. There are millions of people who believe professional wrestling is real too.In a huge number of cases, the bids go sky high because of the pretty boxes. Audiophiles are like that, particularly the onees with money and no sense.
There are indeed many, many fakes of the most popular tubes. For at least 10 years, particularly but not limited to the Far East, there has been somee pretty sophisticated counterfeiting. This particular seller has a great operation going reprinting boxes. There are those, like Micronetics, who know better than you or I what a genuine box and tube print looks like.
It's also worth mentioning that the spread of counterfeit Mullard & Siemens has gone beyond those dealers - given the volume of that dealer's sales on Ebay over the last 3 years, we are now seeing the same tubes reappear from other sellers - presumably now that they have wisened up to the fact they bought fakes, they are putting them up for sale on Ebay to recover their losses. And a bunch of newbies will bid them high, particularly since the boxes are just too cool.
The cycle continues and it gets harder to tell who is selling real ones from the fakes.
Norm,We are taking about 12AX7 and I have not read the CCa forum, to be able to formulate an opinion on the CCa.
However our company has been in business for over 40+ years. Mullard was not branded like that.
Given Robert's commen, I certainly believe you. Hopefully I have been lucky to avoid this on Ebay. In most instances I have had my older tubes with which to compare the new ones I got.
Hi Nicolas and all ,
As the saying goes , 'there's one born every minute' . The trouble is that I've seen these dodgy 'Mullards' being sold by others who have obviously realised what they have bought . How this trader has stayed on Ebay I do not know . Even if these are real NOS UK made Mullards , why relabel them and re-box ? I can only assume as per my other post that these are Yugoslavian Ei who I believe have Mullard/Philips tooling .
Hi Fatbottle,Just to tell you that we re-box tubes, we do not re-brand.
Most customers who are not experts, like to see the Tubes and the boxes in perfect condition, as that is what people expect when purchasing NOS = New Old Stock.
We even leave the dust on the collector Tubes.
Why does the seller never put on the date codes of the Tubes?
Ei was founded by Philips, they still have the old machines for making the Tubes.
Today you would think that the Ei Tubes would be as good as the yesteryear production. This is an incorrect assumption as before they would buy the glass from Philips. Today the quality of the glass, I think, is from China. The glass makes alot of difference in the audio market, the microphonics, etc.Nicolas
I emailed the seller about the date codes and he said they were 4BH4 didn't say anything else. I was just curious I'm a telefunken lover anyway's pretty hard to put the diamond in a remark job :).
Reboxing is fair , especially if the valves are bulk packed in 'egg-crates' . Im sure that in Hong Kong a certain valve dealer has invested in some printing machinery . Strange , but I've never seen a 'Mullard' for sale with yellow print , maybe he only has white ink . I doubt the seller will provide the date code etches unless you ask . All he does say is these have 'extended highs , etc blah blah blah ' , so he must listen to each tube individual , surely ? Thats a hell of a lot of dodgy ECC83 and others to listen to in anyone's book !
Hi Fatbottle,I have some Mullard 12AU7's that have yellow print on the tubes. They are genuine and I was told that these were OEM tubes and the yellow label identified them for warranty purposes. Same logo, only it's yellow.
yes all the yellow labled mullard are very early production run .
I think atleast to the early 60's. then it will be white printing .
may be after 60's mullards was out of white ink ? hahahahaha .most of the tubes sold from that seller are faked .I even been told by a hong kong buyer .
but Bugleman do have good stock on a new tubes , say early 80's production .the best to avoid is don't buy from him . is that right ?
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