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In Reply to: CV4004 is not ECC81 (nt) posted by datubie on August 14, 2002 at 01:50:09:
Whilst I remember him saying CV4004 he must have meant CV4024 since he was talking about ECC81s. But since he had only started on the ECC family who's to know what he would do with ECC82 and ECC83s. I'm pretty sure he'd keep the ECC83s - as for the ECC82s and ECC88s I didn't ask. On the other hand he's clean out of NOS EL34s and 6SN7s - surprise surprise. As he said 'the ones we can sell we can't get, the one's we can get we can't sell'. Looks like the world will end not with a bang but a stockpile of 6SN7, EL34, ECC83, 6922 (you can supply the rest....) As for those quaint occasionally used tubes it could be adios amigos - storage uneconomical. He added that 95% of his sales were to the Far East including large esoteric transmitting valves. Funny market.
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Hi,I suppose he's not getting clean of all the CV2024 but some 80% of stock?
It was a workhorse tube used in umpteen devices, and as 90% of those devices are scrapped it makes sense to scrap some 80% of the stock (if the stock was adjusted to the old market level).I suppose the same has happened to many tubes in the past (45, 6SN7, 6CG7 etc.) as there is a sensible level of the stock given demand and that is not all one can spare.
General comodity laws says the last item is so expencive it will remain unsold (if I remember my economics studies*).
mvh /Pär
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I suppose all wanted me to remember more from english class :-) But I think my english is mostly intelligible at least?
I suppose the same has happened to many tubes in the past (45, 6SN7, 6CG7 etc.) > >That's a very good point - what happens if you destroy thousands of stock of a tube that then subsequently comes back into fashion? I don't know if the 6SN7 ever went out of fashion, but it's certainly had a huge revival.
Market economics is certainly behind some counter-intuitive activities. For example it is widely known that the diamonds in circulation are just the tip of the iceberg and that the rest are either stockpiled or destroyed to keep world prices up (even in the war when they were needed for industrial use).
I wonder whether tubes are going the way of LPs - right now there's a huge tube market in Far East collectors which has sent prices up for collectibles - just as it did with LPs (and vintage cars, though I don't know if the market was far East in this case). Subsequently the market fell right back when the Far East stopped buying. The dealer in question said he'd sold 12 ECC81s last year. That's pretty meagre - a few Fender users no doubt.
> I don't know if the 6SN7 ever went out of fashion...
I think it did as it was a "teletube" with 6CG7 taking its place even in the old tubed teles days.
I think its heydays as a audio tubes are right now, isn't it refered to as a oscillator/mixer -tube in old handbooks (link).
Though I'm only doing guesswork here as I'm not old enough :-)> The dealer in question said he'd sold 12 ECC81s last year. That's
> pretty meagre - a few Fender users no doubt.
Sounds reasonable as ECC81 still is quite common at local stockist (they had the same dying market with overstock), but as that dries out he - with reasonable marketing (noth hiding out behind a obscure address in south wales) - would probably see a increased demand. Say tenfold (but I still think he should scrap quite a large part of the stock).> I wonder whether tubes are going the way of LPs...
I think we will se a "QuadII LS3/5a" situation in tubes as well, if it isn't here already.
I know we in sweden drained your island quite a lot on motorcycles and sportscars in the 70s as the ratio was 6:1 (now it is 15:1).
But that is the way current economics works.> Market economics is certainly behind some counter-intuitive
> activities.
Sure :-)
But as this is a american forum, let us hear their interpretation...
(Mr McCarty may still hide out there somewhere...)mvh /Pär
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