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In Reply to: Re: Which means the Tung-Sols are built to have superior cosmetics with similar materials.(nt) posted by Jim McShane on April 24, 2007 at 18:42:27:
I never mentioned the absolute level of build or sound quality in any of these posts. I like the EH tubes and yes the EH 6V6 is a very good tube. I like the EH 6SN7. I am just hard pressed to hear much of a difference between them and the new pretty Tung-Sol equivalent. I did not call your girlfriend ugly, I just said that she was not any prettier than your last girlfriend.I am very glad you like these tubes. I am sorry that Russia is such an awful place to do business. If you look around the US can be a pretty rough market as well. Tubes are produced in these "third world" countries because we have the EPA and actually pay salaries. Why do you think that Westrex needs to charge as much as they do for the WE Branded 300b.
Personally, I just take offense to purchasing great old brand names and applying them to modern production which shares nothing with the past. Kind of like a two stroke Indian motorcycle or a Fisher home entertainment center. And I am sorry; your argument on how Matthews used the Svetlana brand on the Sovtek (thank you for the correction) tubes did not increase the value of that brand. EH has a respectable brand and I believe that this kind of activity cheapens it.
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Just a bit more to say and I'm done..."Um, when did I knock EH tubes?"
You didn't directly knock EH, and I didn't say that you did.
"I am sorry that Russia is such an awful place to do business."
Mike's assault occurred HERE, in the USA - not in Russia. He was forced into bankruptcy HERE by thugs, not in Russia.
"Tubes are produced in these "third world" countries because we have the EPA and actually pay salaries."
True, wage costs are lower.
"Why do you think that Westrex needs to charge as much as they do for the WE Branded 300b."
Because it's a boutique piece with a high markup, and a low production volume. The low volume drives the cost way up.
"And I am sorry; your argument on how Matthews used the Svetlana brand on the Sovtek (thank you for the correction) tubes did not increase the value of that brand"
Paraphrasing your words - when did I say it increased the value? All I said was they weren't just rebranded Sovteks.
Whether you like them or don't like them, whether you like Mike Matthews' businesss plan or not, etc. is all tangental to the discussion. The bottom line for me is this - your earlier post clearly inferred that the Tung-Sol tube line was just relabeled "prettied up" tubes. I did not wish to let that stand unchallenged unless you had specific information to support it.
Since I use and like the EH 6V6 but have been told by some that the new Tung Sol is a better sounding tube....what is your opinion Jim and how would you compare the sound of the two?The Tung Sol is a good bit more (percentage wise).
I like the EH el34 as well (guess I am a treble freak) but I will say the construction of the SED looks better/more rugged.
Russ,I like the EH too! The only real concern I have is the screen durability in some of the more demanding musical instrument amps.
I think the T-S has somewhat better frequency balance. And I like the tougher screens.
Same can be said for the 6V6. The EH and Tung-Sol are comparable. I would not say I have a preference for one over the other.
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