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In Reply to: Re: Clearly, it's time to involve the government posted by danlaudionut on April 5, 2007 at 12:25:42:
is immoral, while your preferences become the standard of morality?Is it possible that your are the one that want to regulate my behavior by reducing my freedom. You simply use the fancy term "self control" when in fact you want everyone to be just a clone of yourself.
Follow Ups:
I want to regulate NOTHING!!!
I am asking for self-control.
Let the one who wants to pay the most for an item WIN.
What is so hard about this concept???
No trickery - No games - Just fairness !!!
It is fair that the one who wants to pay
the most for an item - gets the item.
Fair to the buyer and fair to the seller.
You all want to justify a position that
is unjustifiable except it's legal.
Fine - it's legal but it was legal to kill Jews
in 1942 Germany but still didn't make it right.
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right.
So many things in this world are legal but not right.
No matter how you try to twist the it -
It still isn't RIGHT !!!
I didn't really care about the argument, but someone needs to tell you to chill the hell out.Some weekend reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guilt_by_associationRead those, try to understand them, and also realize that when you resort to pulling the Holocaust card to support your completely unrelated claim, you risk having people lose what little respect they might have had.
Sorry if I offended you but they never seemed to get it so
I made an analogy that I hoped would finally get thru to them.
But I guess morality is beyond their grasp.
I could have used several other analogies
but I don't think they would have gotten it.
BTW I intended them to feel guilty.
They wouldn't respond to reason so
I figured emotion might work.
I am done now anyway.
How you can determine someone's morality by his bidding behavior on ebay is beyond me. No, I don't feel guilty. But you did succeed in offending me, so your efforts weren't a total waste.
DanL
I am not blind; you are the one that is confused between two completely different concept: morality and preference.If you think following written rules on an auction site is immoral, then all transactions on that site are immoral and you are a willing co-conspirators of immoral conducts.
I say -- prevent all biddings until the last minute of the auction. One minute only and bid whatever you like. Now does that make you happy? It will be perfectly fair to all bidders. It is no difference than a football game in which the clock will run out when it strikes 0:00.Of course, you will object because you prefer other means. That is a preference issue and has nothing to do with morality. Calling everyone a thief and phrasing like you are some kind of Jesus wanna-be just demonstrated that you are .....
I just don't get it. If you want everyone to have time to reconsider and bid, then when would the auction end? If someone came up with a method to do that, they could take most of ebay's sellers away.In the mean time, the many immoral thieves of this asylum, of which I guess I am one, will just have to bear the shame of not living up to your standards. I'm surprised you can lower your standards enough to still be associated with such a group.
> > If you want everyone to have time to reconsider and bidI am talking about sniping.
Purposeful - caculated - sniping.> > bear the shame of not living up to your standards
Ammoral people don't have shame.
They don't have any problems fudging the law.
As long as they are legal they're happy as pig in sh*t.> > I'm surprised you can lower your standards enough
> > to still be associated with such a group.From the many emails I have recieved from inmates -
you are in the minority.
A vocal minority but minority just the same.I have stated my position several times now.
And you only want to see what they want to see
so that they can justify themselves.
Sniping is still wrong and will always be wrong.
I am done
The bottom line is that you simply hate fairness, and want to bend the rule so you are always on top.Killing Jews in 1942 is not right, and yet killing Iraq children "for freedom" is great and wonderful in 2007. The bullshit surrounding us is just too thick.
> > The bottom line is that you ..want to bend the ruleNEVER NEVER NEVER have I said ANYTHING like that!
I said that people should not snipe.
YOU guys keep thinking rules.
I say it's unfair to buyer and seller to snipe.> > yet killing Iraq children "for freedom"
Yet Sadam was killing them 10 times more.
Selective hearing and writing comes easy to you.
I will not continue this ...DanL
If absolute fairness is your goal, then why does Ebay charges an obscene percentage from the final sale and then tag on another obscene percentage from using paypal? Maybe using Ebay simply mean fairness does not apply as the battleground is simply unfair to begin with.So don't use it. Don't sell there and don't buy anything there.
> > If absolute fairness is your goalEverything will never be fair.
That doesn't mean we can't do what we can
to make it as fair as we can for as many as we can.
So are you implying that anything you do -
which is legal - you can do without consequence?
So, everything will never be fair, yet as long as it is fairer to you but not necessarily to others, then that should be the standard.I fail to see how that make any sense whatsoever.
Fair is the person who wants to pay the most
for the product gets to but the product.
Where am I in this statement ???
If you can't understand that then I pity you.
The lobotomy must have been terrible.DanL
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