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In Reply to: Luxman K-05 tape deck on Ebay posted by shpickering@yahoo.ca on March 6, 2007 at 18:43:47:
A guy here locally was selling a K-03 for $100. The only thing wrong with is he said was that the meters were stuck. I am sure he would have taken less. What is so special about these decks?
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This Lux is the only deck other than Naks (that I am aware of) that had a cassette pressure pad lifter built in.
The pad lifter basically helps to reduce the wear of the heads of the deck. That is one reason why Nak claims their heads have a lifetime of 10000 hours.According to the great Stephen Sank, the Luxman is not really that well made and that is one reason why he refuses to repair my Luxman KX-102. The KX-102's performance is not that much inferior to the K-05.
Actually one unique feature of the Luxman deck is that it has a feature to let you adjust the azimuth of the tapes that you use. There is several small holes on the lower part of the cassette well in the front that allow you to make the adjustment. Unfortunately this feature can only be performed on LUXMAN cassette tapes only !!!!
Most of the decks in ebay bought require some additional fundings put away for overhaul/service if you want to get the most out of them.
Mike
I understand the pad lifter reduced wow and flutter and helps increase sound quality because of that. Its also gives better contact letting the tape glide off the head. As for not being well built, I can understand that with their later 100 series- but Im not sure I'd agree of their champagne models from the early 80s before Alpine bought them out.
Its basically Luxmans best deck they ever made. Its supposed to have un-equalled sound quality, but I've never heard one so who knows on that. It also has a frequency response of 15hz to 27 khz + or - 3db on tape. Even my Aiwa deck doesnt go up that high.
All that being said, you're not going to 'best' a top Nak in good condition. As twitchy and expensive as some of the Naks are to own and maintain, they are literally the Ferrari of the cassette industry. Most decks can only approach the performance of the best Naks. I only wished I could justify owning one....the models I want in reliable condition run $2000+. For that kind of $, I'd rather have a top Tascam R2R or something similar. Some people live in more populated areas than I do and can run across estate sales where top vintage gear goes for next to nothing.... I can only dream of that scenario. My sources wind up being pawn shops and screwbay. One pawn shop here has an old Dokorder 1140 studio R2R....massive looking thing without a stand, some knobs and Lord knows what else wrong. They want about $300.....I'm sure I can beat them down, but I'm not sure about parts and what the deck really needs...or even what the thing is really worth in that shape. If you figure they have to double their money, they gave $100-150 for it which is ludicrous for how it appears.
Nothing special about it really. Screwbay sellers love to 'hype' formally higher priced vintage gear. And of course endemic with that is the ol' "as is" statement. These days, the best chance at a real deal on screwbay, is if the seller lists the item in the wrong place or is unresponsive to buyer's questions. If you really want high-end vintage gear, try one of the many restoration places for units that were left by customers because they didn't pay their bills etc. You even get a warranty *gasp*.;-) The only "warranty" you get on screwbay is that you're guaranteed to get frustrated.
Yeah, you're right about the ol' "as is" clause to a certain extent.But I have sold a few audio things on eBay that I no longer had a use for & I threw the "as-is" clause in there as well, though I also guaranteed the item would work properly when it arrived. The reason is, you never know when you're going to sell to some idiot who'll have buyer's remorse and hook it up to a 220 or open it up & yank a part or something so he can get his money back.
Cheers,
Bobbo :-)
I see it from both perspectives. I'm a buyer and a seller, though I buy much more than I sell. It's true....some buyers will never be pleased, but I think the majority appreciate an honest seller. There's nothing wrong with stating "as is" as long as you don't pretend to be ignorant of electronics or perpetuate the false pretense that you have no idea what you're selling. The majority of vintage electronic peddlers know exactly what they're selling and further, they're just yo-yoing what they bought somewhere else. In that case, there's no real appreciation for what they have or efforts to further the hobby of say, 70's vintage electronics. If you're an electronic tech or engineer, you can afford to buy junk because at the very least, there's just some time & parts separating you from listening pleasure. They rest of us have to depend on some stated honesty somewhere-something sorely lacking these days on screwbay. Or of course you could take the tact that most everything on ebay is just junk and bid accordingly. Let the fools bid up the Pioneer CT-F1250's that 'just need a new belt'....
You are right on the money about those "probably needs a new belt" tape decks and "I have this Nakamichi Dragon for sale but no tape to test it" B.S.I buy much more than I sell, too. Although not so much anymore since mostly what goes on eBay anymore is either junk or waaaay overpriced.
On the occasion I have sold something I've thoroughly tested the item, cleaned and reconditioned everything just before the sale and stated every single detail about it's operation. It's the way I'd want to be treated if I were a buyer.
Cheers & happy listening!
Bobbo :-)
Exactly so....we want to be treated as we would treat another on ebay. It's really as simple as that. If they start that "Just needs a belt" crap, or "Don't have a tape to test", you can be assured it's a dishonest seller. Who the hell would try to sell a Dragon, but then can't find a cassette tape to test the unit??You're right though, the posers are making the 'deals' on vintage electronics completely disappear, only to be replaced with dishonest transactions. To illustrate my point; I just bought a Tandberg 9241XD R2R off ebay. After a few questions, the seller decided not to bother answering any questions-said he was too busy to bother, so I took a real gamble on this unit. He packaged it (I think FedEX did it for him, actually) poorly and it arrived intact, which was a minor miracle. Counter lens broken, blown peak meter, refusal to change speeds, thirty years of dust/dirt etc. Refused PayPal or any other automated service like BidPay...had to stop everything and go get a cashiers check to send him. But, it will be fine with some TLC until I can afford the complete Soundsmith restoration-very low hrs. He had the nerve to tell me it was functioning perfectly- BS. He also told me that he was really disappointed with the final action price. Bully for me on that one and I wished it had been even less, but a powerseller came in at the last with an automated bid program. The seller has no idea what it takes to restore one of these units. Rather than enter into a feedback 'war', I've declined to give him any feedback whatsoever.
Sorry to hear you were ripped off. I've been pretty lucky, but then again, I haven't bought anything from eBay for a very long time. There are likely more unscrupulous sellers out there these days.Luckily, I got most of my gear before the prices went totally nutso. I wish you well, & hope your deck refurb goes well.
Cheers,
Bobbo :-)
The tape deck I got off Ebay went for more then brand new pricing. It was hovering around $900 and the one bidder went up to $1275 which was $25 over new. I put down $1300 to be sure, and sure enough it went up to that. Months later that other bidder was no longer listed on Ebay. To this day I wondered if it was bid up on purpose meaning fraud. I may never know. All I know is I paid too much for the deck which today needs servicing to get it running again. Lucky it only needs new belts and an alignment (hopefully). But I had to have the deck, so I ended up paying the price.
It sounds like you were victimized. Sounds like a classic case of 'shrill'(sp?) bidding were the seller used another buyer account of his own or a friend to bid you up. That's against ebay rules of course and you should try to pursue that. However, I've found ebay to be highly uncooperative in disputes-trying always to defer the buyer back to negotiating with the seller. They have that 'square deal' option, but you have to pay for it. The money you paid would merit an investigation in my opinion. Good luck with your deck and I hope one day you can enjoy it rather than look at it and curse it.;-)
Its pretty late to take action. I bought the deck close to a year ago now. The seller was a nice guy, but I was always suspicious of the other bidder. Anyways I'll live with it. I dont even remember who I bought it off of.
It is kinda late then, sorry about your experience.;-( I bought a set of speakers from a guy in Denver once off ebay-asked him to hold them for awhile (no definite time period). I thought I might be passing through Denver anyway, but I never did and all efforts to contact him have been unanswered (even by phone). I let too much time pass and even PayPal refused to help me. Never got the speakers and chalked it up to a bad experience. I know some people in Denver that would gladly remove some of the seller's body parts if I chose to...not worth it. Ultimately, the seller has to realize what a piece of human garbage he really is.
Yah. I wouldn't feel safe for the seller to hold my item after the sale. You never know what they'll do with it. He probably resold your speakers later on.
I sell and buy. I like to think I sell enough to pay for what I buy, but its a fallicy. I gett caught up with these bidding wars every now and then and on rare occasion just bid up to the heavens to get something i really want that I wont likely see again. I too am suspicious of the shill bidding and think a few items I've been a victim. Then again, I wouldnt get a lot of stuff I really like if Ebay were not there. I guess thats really the frustration . I'm not looking for "a deal" just a fair shake
I've been lucky using ebay. I kinda set some rules for my self. When I buy I know how much it's worth and I won't pay any more than that shipping included, that's a real big problem. When I sell I have 2 rules, be totaly honest and never hesitate to take the item back for a full refund. As far as selling "As is" I do it and I don't have a problem with it. Age of the item can always be a problem as can be the other issues mentioned in previous posts.
Well, it's great to set 'rules' and keep to them. For an example, I really want an Empire Troubadour 698 turntable. It's been almost a lifetime want and admittedly, not the best turntable in the world. Occasionally they turn up on ebay, but they go high if they have all their parts and dustcover. Almost to the point that you can expect to pay around $400 for one before shipping. But my 'rule' is that a suspect TT of that vintage without a complete service/restoration is not worth even half that. Especially when you consider most of them come from an estate sale somewhere where some old guy died and his wife is selling the stuff for pennies on the dollars through an auction service. It's tempting though because of the scarceness to just say 'the hell with it' and bite the bullet. So far I've stayed strong, but the 'deals' on vintage stereo equipment are rapidly drying up on ebay unless they are in the wrong category or the seller is uncooperative with answering questions. There are other items on ebay that go for incredibly low prices like knives and fishing gear-go figure.
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