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In Reply to: Re: No, but I do wear one contact... posted by tunz on July 31, 2002 at 16:56:22:
I don't know where (or if) you went to school, but you may want to try to get a refund. For the prices you listed, you could get TWO pairs of Dave's speakers.Dave charges $775 for a PAIR of speakers in any finish including premium burled walnut. A PAIR of his speakers with upgraded crossover costs $900. That's for the speakers AND crossovers. The upgrade consists of more than just caps, it includes Alpha Core foil inductors (the best), Mills resistors (best), and Audiocap PPMF capicitors. Since math doesn't seem to be your strong suit, all that costs $125 extra for the pair. Ask your friends at VMPS if they use components of that quality in their speakers.
Even his base version has crossover parts that are better than the ones found in many very expensive speakers (Solen metallized propylene capacitors, and 14ga Solen inductors for the woofer series circuit, 16ga Madisound air core inductors.
The drivers are SEAS Excel W18E001 mid-woofer and the Hiquphon OWI tweeter. If you priced the drivers and crossover components in Dave's speakers and purchased them separately, it cost you more than $500 without cabinets. He offers this as a kit for $475. His cabinets are also better than any commercial speakers that I have seen, including VMPS. He is an absolute perfectionist.
Everyone has different tastes when it comes to speakers and all speakers have different strengths and weaknesses. However, if you find a better speaker value than the 1801 for less money, please let me know. I may have to buy it.
Follow Ups:
Jacko,
As I stated I know nothing about Mr Ellis or his speakers. I can tell you this on his site it sez,that price was for a completed speaker.(not speakers) go look for yourself. To me that means one, not a pair. Maybe its a typo. I dont really care. A speaker that starts sounding compressed at all of 90db holds no interest for me. Mr. Ellis` words about compressing at ninety bd not mine. Jacko, I vote with my wallet, I have rm40`s with the Auricap upgrade on order. I think they are a smokin deal. So now you have some real fodder to throw my man. I`m not unhappy with my M L Aerius, its just I think the VMPS offer more of the things I want in a speaker. Hey Brian, are we getting close? Jack, we are all here cause we love audio. Even though you proclaimed I must have my head up my a**, I wish you peace brother. Happy Listening
Even though I question the sincerity of your "peace" offering I agree that we are all in this for the love of audio (or in my case music). Before you play the innocent bystander, look at your comments to Dave. He did nothing to deserve some of the things you said. Dave is one of the most honest people I have met. Any negative comments you directed towards me were much more warrented. I should not have attacked you personally. I'm sorry.Regarding the 1801's, they are awesome speakers although, as you point out, they will not play to ear splitting levels and do not have any useful output below the 40-45 hz region. The excellent high frequency and midrange reproduction made it an easy decision, but they are not for everyone.
Also, sorry about proclaiming you had your head up your a**. I don't think that's physically possible anyway. No fodder regarding the VMPS speakers, I think they make good stuff and I'm sure you will be happy with your purchase.
Jack,
I came to the defense of Brian because I felt Dave wasnt so much after information but just trying to make Brian look bad. Both of these men have far more experience than I do on the subject.If you are happy with your 1801`s then I`m happy for you. Viva la difference my man. Its what makes the world go around. I have a big room and need a large powerful speaker, so I went for the 40`s. Just like you felt my comments to Dave were inappropriate, and came to his defense, I felt Dave was just looking for trouble and I came to Brian`s defense, not the either man needed us.
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