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In Reply to: Hyperion: You are RIGHT. The room is very stiff! posted by jaybar on September 23, 2001 at 11:00:01:
I told you the same thing. Your room construction materials and your S.O. considerations are always going to present problems to fixing the sound in your room. You have 4 choices -- change the room/apartment, change your S.O. (just joking), change both of the preceeding or just live with it because nothing short of many of the right acoustical treatments IN the room are going to fix your problems. You cannot "buy" your way out of this with new speakers, cables or anything else. New purchases may ameliorate things somewhat, but the basic problem will always be there. Sorry, but that's the way it goes with this hobby.Jim
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Jim-
The Signums are a completely different animal than the Dynaudio Contour 1.8's. The DON"T overload the room with bass to the extent the Dyna's did. With each inch I pull the speakers out, the bass changes. The speaker's tonal balance goes from dark to very light, depanding on rake angle and how far out, I have them. I am not continually focusing on the bass line as I did with the Contour's. What I am struggling with is how do I judge what is correct? What are the CD's/LP's supposed to sound like when the speaker is positioned correctly. As I said, distance from the side walls, rake angle, distance from the wall behind all changes things. What I am struggling with is trying to find the best combination. With my last speakers, so matter how I placed them, they always had more/less of the same problem.
Jay
"...What I am struggling with is how do I judge what is correct? What are the CD's/LP's supposed to sound like when the speaker is positioned correctly. As I said, distance from the side walls, rake angle, distance from the wall behind all changes things. What I am struggling with is trying to find the best combination. With my last speakers, so matter how I placed them, they always had more/less of the same problem..."No matter what you do nor what speakers you have, that room will never allow the speakers (nor any mechanically grounded equipment rack, for that matter) to operate anywhere near it's peak potential based on all the restrictive paramaters you are faced with (keeping domestic tranquility, aesthetics, listening position location, as well as room construction materials which is the most challenging factor in your case). Believe me, I wish it were as simple as changing rake angle or distance from a wall, but in your case you will always probably get compromised performance no matter what you finally decide sounds best. You know that I only wish you well and good luck with the SF speakers, but the room.....
I tend to agree.At some point a person needs to do his own research, evaluation and decision making. This may involve actual measurements as well as reading of basic acoustic principles (as in my own case) to get a better understanding of my own speaker/room environment and how the acoustic principles react within it.
The best advice given from others can only be a starting point for your own extension or application of that knowledge, not the ultimate answer.
Good luck Jaybar.
bstan
I think poor Jaybar deserves some sort of purple heart. I have been hanging about AA, the Naim forum, and a few others for several years now and by far the most painful voice I have listened to is that of Jaybar, who seems to have and have had every conceivable audio ill one can have. I have been (quietly) listening for the l.c.d. of his complaints and, while I have reached no conclusions, feel it may be a profound need to get advice and a corresponding lack of confidence in his own ears. He is just too f__king humble and overrates advice. Audio web sites can breed this condition. It takes a strong constitution to avoid it, actually. Many of us just love to hand out advice and do so with such conviction and eloquence that we create...well Jaybars! So let's give the dude the purple heart on the condition that he promise not to take ANYONE's advice for at least six months (and not read any magazines either) and just screw around with his gear until he's (relatively) content, which may, of course, be impossible.
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