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In Reply to: Verity Audio Larshengrins posted by Romy on September 20, 2001 at 15:06:30:
Romy, it wasn't a review, and you're wrong about the fact that I read too much audio publications: I read none. Is it the 17Hz that makes you saying such a statement? You are making statements too early! No, I don't need to read any publication to confess that I like a product, in fact, see that my comments precedes the reviews. I must add that Lars haven't influenced me (like you seem to presume) since I heard the Lohengrin at Verity Audio's office. BTW, I don't have any relation with Lars. When its good, its good!Do you had the chance to listen to them in its final version? There is a substancial improvement from the prototype version that you may have heard at the Las Vegas show.
Pat
Follow Ups:
I heard the Lohengrin in CES2001. I just cannot stand it and ran away. I know all the potentials of Raven and Audio Technology. If you ever had experience with Quad ESL-57, you will consider there is nothing special in Lohengrin except the bass.Lohengrin is good and probably as good as Rockport but they are not my cup of tea. My suggestion: Get Quad ESL-57 although they are hard to maintain. Or you may buy Belcanto from Symphonic Line, much much cheaper and more fun and happliness than Lohengrin or Rockport.
Cheers
It's all a matter of preferences, I have listened to Quad's (but I think it was the ESL-63) and liked it also. But like I said to Romy, you have listened to the Lohengrin prototype at the CES2001. The final version of the Lohengrin have a new midrange and the tweeter is now completely intregrated with the midrange. I listened to both versions and the differences were substancial: The prototype was too dark, too warm, even not as coherent as the Parsifals. On the final version of the Lohengrins: the transparency top to bottom, the openness and the coherence are largely improved and now the Lohengrins does the dissapearing act completly. Now, its is clearly better than the Lohengrin prototype heard at the CES2001.Regards,
Pat
I strongly suggest you to listen Quad ESL-57.
ESL-57 is Much much better than ESL-63.
The first thing I noticed in CES2001 is the bass of Lohengrin.
LAMM Audio amplifiers cannot control it fully. It is out of control.
(Pictures on the exhibition).I have no intention to hurt anyone.
The midrange transparency and openness of Lohengrin are still
inferior to Quad ESL-57. It is quite evident!!!I know both Per Skaaning of Audio Technology and Burno of Verity Audio.
I considered mid/bass from Audio Technology are the best in the world not long ago.... but if you asked me the same question. The answer will be totally different. I have something special in mind right now.Lohengrin is an excellent speaker definitely but not "my cup of tea".
Are you talking about 18W set drive 95 Db speakers? I had ML-2 driving (REAL) 94 Db without problems. Giving to the fact that ML-2 dose bass as good as it theoretically possible today, I think something fundamentally wrong with the Lohengrin… There are the thousands reasons why speakers do the shity bass … not only the sensitivity issues. I think that generally (no only because of the bass) the Verity guys did more damage to themselves by presenting what they presented. At least, they gave an opportunity for the different morons like you and me to badmouse their company and their product. I hope they will take this lesson under advisement.Besides, if I remember correct, they switched the amps and the Lohengrin’s woofers were driven by 80W ML-1.
Romy the Cat
You said: "...The midrange transparency and openness of Lohengrin are still inferior to Quad ESL-57. It is quite evident!!!..."But you haven't listened to the final version of the Lohengrin (which is quite different from the CES2001 prototype) neither I have listened to the ESL-57... so...
I don't know where I can listen to the ESL-57, but I would like to.
Regards,
Pat
I strongly suggest you to listen Quad ESL-57.
ESL-57 is Much much better than ESL-63.
The first thing I noticed in CES2001 is the bass of Lohengrin.
LAMM Audio amplifiers cannot control it fully. It is out of control.
(Pictures on the exhibition).I have no intention to hurt anyone.
The midrange transparency and openness of Lohengrin are still
inferior to Quad ESL-57. It is quite evident!!!I know both Per Skaaning of Audio Technology and Burno of Verity Audio.
I considered mid/bass from Audio Technology are the best in the world not long ago.... but if you asked me the same question. The answer will be totally different. I have something special in mind right now.Lohengrin is a excellent speaker definitely but not "my cup of tea".
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