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In Reply to: Re: SF Guarneri Memento's terrible measurements posted by daveyf on May 8, 2007 at 07:54:39:
Hunh? Sonus faber has not used Dynaudio drivers in many, many years. The mid-bass unit in Guarneri is a modern version of the Audio Technology driver used in the original Guarneri and sourced from Audio Technology. As for the tweeter, it is shared with Amati Anniversario and Stradivari, albeit tuned differently in those designs. The cabinet is different in tuning and construction.Cheapened parts to buy a refresh of the line? Pretty cynical.
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Patrick,
Audiotechnology is owned by Mr.Skaaning, one of the founders of Dynaudio. The Esotar is a Dynaudio driver that is used in the G.(Original version)
Pretty cynical? Have you listened to both versions like I have?
Hi Davey,Sure. I've set them up in about 7 different systems in 6 different rooms. Enough variables to know the speaker pretty well. In any meaningful way, it is a superior speaker to the original Guarneri. That being said, I could live with the original Guarneri for the rest of my life quite contently because it makes music. The Memento is also a consummate music maker, but the system that you build around Guarneri will in all likelihood be different than the system that you build around Memento. As I'm sure you've noticed, most all drivers used in Sonus faber models are customized units. Dynaudio no longer offers these services, which is why Sonus faber has been working with other driver vendors. I would agree that the Esotar is a wonderful tweeter when used correctly. Mr. Skaaning was also the founder of Scanspeak, which builds the custom tweeter used in Memento.
Good listening,
Patrick, That is interesting. In my system and with friends listening to the 'AB', we all prefered the original model.
Consensus was that the G vs. the M was the G was more refined in the area of timbre reproduction, the integration of the two drivers was less audible and the midrange was far more accurate.
The imaging was similar in both speakers with the original able to
produce slightly more depth.
Your remarks show why it is probably a good idea to hear speakers in your own setup. BTW, what different kind of system would you suggest for the M? We noted that both speakers are fairly power hungry, so low powered tubes need not apply.
Hi Davey,I've had very similar experiences to yours over the years with different components and speakers. Memento certainly is happier with more power than Guarneri, and I would not use low powered tube amps (as lovely as they can be.) I would show up with a few hundred watts to drive them, and as long as the electronics are reasonably neutral, the field of choices is wide open.
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