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In Reply to: Re: It's a scam! (I know it..) posted by John Chleapas on April 5, 2007 at 21:22:24:
eBay is constantly trying to make it's systme more secure. Security is essential to eBay's success since it only hurts them if people are afraid to use eBay. But at the same time the scammers are working constantly to exploit the system.A while back I learned that a lot of the blatantly obvious scams are the result of scammers hacking legitimate account so their bogus auctions appear to be by legitimate sellers with lots of positive feedback. They can also hack legitimate auctions and insert scam stuff like "e-mail me at blah@yahoo.com to buy it now for [insanely low price]."
Those auctions don't cost the scammers anything because they aren't using their own accounts. I doubt they scam very many people, but frankly, when money is involved people's brains shut down, so who knows how many people lose money on these creeps? I see a lot of these auctions for Lexicon MC-12s, for example, offering them for $700 or 700GBP or some such ridiculous price. Intellectually people know such prices are too good to be true, but some dumb-as-rock part of the brain kicks in and they start rationalizing that if it *is* true, if the seller is just back-to-the-wall desperate, they'll kick themselves for the rest of their lives if they missed out.
Report them to eBay and then forget about them, unless you want also send him an e-mail telling him to stop trying to steal people's money and get a real job. ;-)
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If Ebay is getting hacked and legite accounts are getting hacked
then Ebay sucks @#itI find it amazing that someone hasnt tried class action lawsuits
against EbayRegardless of Ebay's size and so forth its up to them to
make there website secure
This kind of talk just makes you sound like an idiot. You would do well to heed the old adage, "Tis better be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." At the very least you should think about what you're saying before you say it.The notion that eBay gets hacked because they're irresponsible or don't care is just absurd. The government gets hacked, banks get hacked, business web sites get hacked, companies that maintain databases of personal data on tens of millions of people get hacked. All of these entities invest considerable resources in security, but unfortunately there are very smart hackers out there who, from time to time, find holes in these systems.
The fact that some people have figured out how to hack into eBay accounts doesn't mean eBay sucks anything, only that it isn't perfect. Ebay tries to address security issues as quickly as they can once they become aware of them, but eBay has tens of millions of accounts and millions of auctions going at any one time, so security is a big job. And plugging security holes can take time to determine how people are hacking the system and more time if the fix requires redesigning some part of their system.
For the most part eBay is very secure. They have to be. It's essential to their business that people feel safe conducting transactions there or eBay would stand to lose big time.
As for suing eBay, your comment shows a lack of understanding of the realities of the situation, of the law, or both. Ebay has not been negligent and I'm sure that if you read all the conditions you'd find that that disclaim any liability for these kinds of things. No lawsuit would stand a chance in court unless the plaintiffs could prove gross negligence on eBay's part, and that just isn't the case.
I did report him to ebay and I have sent his 4 (now 5) emails along to ebay for their review into this situation. Still no words back from ebay to me on this situation. I seem to have bought most of my used gear from AudioGon with very good luck. I am also the kind of buyer who is willing to drive 300 miles for expensive or fragile stereo gear that I do not want damaged in any shipping accidents to my door. John
eBay probably won't get back to you, and even if they do all you'll get are canned responses, which are little better than spam IMO. LOLI've gotten some things off Audiogon, but my luck has been mixed. I got a pair of speakers in which one of them had damage the seller hadn't disclosed. Tried to buy an Aerial Acoustics CC5 from a guy who was a nightmare. Finally called AmEx and denied the charge. Bought a sub from a guy and when it arrived there was nothing but the sub. No cord or other cables, no remote, no manual, no spikes, and grill had noticeable picks in it. Eventually got it all worked out, but a bit of a hassle. Three other transactions went off without a hitch. So at this point my problem-free rate is 50%.
Re: Driving 300 miles to pick something up - No way, unless there are other considerations. I rented a car and picked up the sub, but it was only 200 miles and I had been wanting to do some shopping in Orlando (about 50 miles from me along the way) anyway. Between the sub and base it was about 180 lb. It would have had to go freight and there were reasons that would have been a hassle for the seller, so I picked it up. 300 miles is at least 10 hours of my time, and at $0.30/mile to drive a car, that's $180. Since I've never had anything damaged in shipping I'm not about to spend 10 or more hours on the road and spend a wad of money on driving if I can get something shipped for a reasonable rate and just pick it up off the front porch. ;-) Besides, if you get 30mpg, 600 miles is 20 gallons of gas. I'm not going to use 20 gallons of a nonrenewable resource and pollute the air with it out of concern that something will get broken in shipping. That's why they have insurance. ;-)
You said:
"Re: Driving 300 miles to pick something up - No way, unless there are other considerations. I rented a car and picked up the sub, but it was only 200 miles and I had been wanting to do some shopping in Orlando (about 50 miles from me along the way) anyway. Between the sub and base it was about 180 lb. It would have had to go freight and there were reasons that would have been a hassle for the seller, so I picked it up. 300 miles is at least 10 hours of my time, and at $0.30/mile to drive a car, that's $180. Since I've never had anything damaged in shipping I'm not about to spend 10 or more hours on the road and spend a wad of money on driving if I can get something shipped for a reasonable rate and just pick it up off the front porch. ;-) Besides, if you get 30mpg, 600 miles is 20 gallons of gas. I'm not going to use 20 gallons of a nonrenewable resource and pollute the air with it out of concern that something will get broken in shipping. That's why they have insurance. ;-)"300 miles is about only around 4 hours of my actual driving time @ 75 to 80 mph using my trusty radar/laser combo detector plus my sprayed license plates to defeat those new nasty remote photo picture gadgets. Come on AL Gore wastes more energy offset carbon credits than that drive running his lights for a week in his home, or burning jet fuel in just one afternoon short city to city jet hop. BTW his new company sells carbon credits so he is not exactly paying what the average schmuck sucker does who pays those stupid carbon offsets willingly. Lets leave the tree hugging out of this forum. You started it. :) You would just love my non green Mustang with the illegal race only aluminum cylinder heads. Funny but it still passes annual emissions testing without the EGR and lots of the related smog gear. I drove to NJ to pick up my HK Citation ll with the tube cage. I also drove over 200 miles to pick up a pair of near mint JBL L300 speakers for $500. There are few people that can properly pack a turntable for safe shipping. I just had a bozo pack a Fisher 500c without wrapping it in bubble pack like he said he would. Not a big fix but it needs about $100 bucks of work to have it fixed properly. If I had driven to NYC to pick it up the gas and tolls would have been less than the cost to have the shipping damage fixed. John
"300 miles is about only around 4 hours of my actual driving time @ 75 to 80 mph using my trusty radar/laser combo detector plus my sprayed license plates to defeat those new nasty remote photo picture gadgets. Come on AL Gore wastes more energy offset carbon credits than that drive running his lights for a week in his home,"I'm happy you've found ways to use technology to reduce the likelihood that you'll be caught by the police when doing whatever you want instead of driving responsibly. However, you'll use even more gas driving 80 mph, and the cost of gas is not the majority of the cost of driving a car. And frankly, what Al Gore does or doesn't do simply isn't relevant to what you do or I do. Al Gore's life choices might influence whether I would vote for him or not, but *my* life choices are based on my values, not Al Gore's. Too many (as in way too many) people have abandoned personal values as their guide through life and replaced them with "can I get away with it?" and "everybody else does it" without regard to how their actions affect others. From a human perspective, this is not very admirable. So you keep thwarting the police and burning gas driving all over the country to pick up audio gear, and I'll keep considering how my actions affect others. ;-)
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