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In Reply to: I would narrow your list to these 2 posted by Lona on March 17, 2007 at 22:31:37:
Well from his list it would make more sense to narrow it toDali Helicon 400 - very enjoyable
since the Spendor in his opinion does not have enough bass.
IME bass is very important and you need enough of it seamlessly integrating with the rest of the sound to be happy long term. Thus while a lack of bass maybe ok for violin music and generally low volume listening - in the long run it is needed to create the experience believably. I have yet to hear a good sub work with music at any price - even set-up by the designers of the subs and a single sub cannot create a stereo image and when they are off to one side always creates a weight on that side no matter where they are crossed over. It just takes longer to detect the issue with suc set-ups.
I have not heard the Dali but if it is "very enjoyable" and has sufficient bass then I would start with that - scrap the rest of the list and then compare the Dali to everything else you can find for around the same money.
Always Always Always start with a speaker you think is "very enjoyable" and that you can't say much if anything bad about. The mistake is taking 8 speakers finding this one and stopping. Take that one and let it become the reference to compare all else against. And in time the Dali will either see off all the competitors or he will come across something that takes all the positives of the Dali and ups the anty to another level. Either way it's win win for the poster.
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I agree wholeheartedly that bass is important - especially on a lot of the music I listen to. Rock music is not rock music without the ability to move some air in the deep bass as happens at any live concert.The Dalis get down to about 31 (-3dB) - I need to audition more and see if that is low enough for me.
Most music does not require even 30hz. But, I think dynamics are more important. I have heard many a speaker with ratings and measurements to 35-40hz -- some actually sound like they have good bass and some of them do not.I have a set of HE floorstanders rated to 40hz and I have heard numerous East Coast sound standmount speakers rated for 40hz. My floorstanders will blow you out of the room in the bass department -- the East coast NRC clone standmounts immediately have you turning it off going out the door to find your local subwoofer dealer.
don't let the naysayers put you off because you like rock -- Good speakers will make rock sound better. I listen to pretty much all forms of music and I needed a speaker that could play anything from Beethoven at load levels without congestion and I needed it to play harder hitting synthesizer music from say Delerium to head pounding music at loud levels from the likes of AC/DC.Most speakers make you choose one or the other because the SPEAKER is so deficient in some area that it forces you to choose music that the speakers is able to play rather than letting you choose music you actually like. The difference is in finding a speaker that will play all genres well -- they will still tell yoy which recordings are deficient but good speakers won't emphasize those problems.
And you can;t go by the audio press. Listen to Beethoven's moonlight Sonata or say Diana Krall's Departure Bay and some Aerosmith on the $2300 B&W 705. Bass is one thing dynamics is the key. That raved about speaker has neither. Directly compared to a $700.00 speaker it's not even a contest.
You do not even need to have a price range here because there could be something for a lot less that simply is designed better. Note I am not saying this about Dali but about numerous expensive speakers. Dali may be one of the giant killers for all I know.
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