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Do you agree: "The sound quality at my sweet spot seat is more important than at other seats." = a better question

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Richard BassNut Greene

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In Reply to: informal poll, Agree or Disagree: "Two channel audio has one sweet spot." posted by Duke on March 13, 2007 at 14:21:57:

Better answers are:
(1) Strongly agree
(2) Agree
(3) Not sure
(4) Disagree
(5) Strongly disagree
Your question "The sound quality at ONE SWEET SPOT is all that matters to most two-channel audio system owners." states too strong a position ("all that matters") ... so even if the sound quality heard at his sweet spot seat was very important to an audiophile, that doesn't mean it is "all that matters" to him.
I have written some polls in the past, before I retired, and know that poll question wording can bias answers.
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Richard BassNut Greene
Subjective Audiophile 2007

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Nope, that biases it too much towards "agree". - Duke 09:44:41 03/14/07 (4)
Richard,
Both of my quotes are word-for-word from you, from our discussion that's now on the back page. Since it was a point you had brought up several times and obviously worded in strong language, I wanted to see if it was true - I wanted to see if you were accurately representing two-channel owners. This was among the few things you and I disagreed on that could be tested.
And, we have a pretty good spread of responses here - so I think the poll question is relevant.
Since most of the respondents elaborated on their answers, there is no need to have a multiple-choice poll. For some the sweet spot is pretty much all that matters, just as you claimed. But for just about as many others, it's the most important but certianly not the only thing that matters; and for a few it doesn't stand out as significantly more important than the sound elsewhere. These latter two cases run counter to what you claimed.
But totally apart from you or me proving or disproving statements, I think it's interesting to get an idea of what others think on the subject.
Frankly I expected the results to be skewed heaviliy in favor of "disagree", and they're not. So while maybe you weren't as right as you thought, obviously you weren't as wrong as I thought. The truth lies somewhere in between our extremes - not for the first and probably not for the last time.
Duke
- Truth -- just what is that? - Richard BassNut Greene 13:14:39 03/14/07 (3)
  People who do not listen often in the sweet spot can be disregarded as they are doing other things.
  People who feel the sweet spot is very (80%) important but give a little consideration (20%) to other seats may answer no to your question because the sweet spot isn't the ONLY location important to them. That's how you worded the question. Taking your question literally I would say my sweet spot isn't the ONLY location important to me although it's weighted 90% for my sound quality evaluations, measurements and equalization settings.
  We can't even agree on how to ask a question without bias!
  Why don't you ask how many two channel listeners have subwoofers located to their sides or behind them?
  In our prior free-for-all, er "debate", I regret using the word "clueless", but on the other hand I'm proud I never compared any of your posts with farm animal excrement, or compared your intelligence with G. W. Bush, or compared your poisonality with Hitler. By my standards**, I rank three out of a possible four in this "Polite Poster Test"!
  R. BassNut Greene
  
  ** What standards?
  
  Richard BassNut Greene
  Subjective Audiophile 2007
  - I prefer not to "disregard"... - Duke 15:25:07 03/14/07 (2)
    ...those whose listening style is different from my own, and that's the truth.
    Overall, I think we kept it pretty clean all things considered in our knife fight back there - though we did trade lunch meat a time or two.
    Balony sandwich, anyone?
    Duke
    - I must have missed that - Schu 05:41:23 03/15/07 (1)
      You are both rather knowledgeable so I wouldn't get worked up over anything. We all have our own tastes and thoughts and possibly wish others to enjoy music as much as we do as well as gain knowledge from said others' experience. Ones own experiences, sometimes painful when viewed after the fact, can really steer their opinions regardless of how well that fits into another's world.
      Richard is pretty good when it comes to bass issues and it helped me out when I had some in my new home. One odd note; When I read "Richard Bass Nut Greene", I seem to always read it as "Richard Brass Nut Greene". I wonder why that is? Regardless, he is a useful member here who most likely has seem some serious bass issues in folks rooms.
      I hear that Duke's speakers sound very nice. Our design mantras overlap more than they differ and I wish him the best.
      Bill
      - Link - Duke 10:26:44 03/15/07 (0)
        
        In Reply to: I must have missed that posted by Schu on March 15, 2007 at 05:41:23:
        
        Hi Bill,
        The subject of our discussion is deep into Richard's territory: bass and the nuts who care about it. He and I disagree about an approach that I suggest. I agree with you that he knows a great deal about the subject, and up until recently my paradigm for optimium subwoofer configuration was very similar to his.
        Duke
        discussion on multiple subwoofers (Open in New Window)

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