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In Reply to: Lemmings, lemmings, everywhere ..... posted by Oakroot on March 2, 2007 at 15:56:58:
I've heard some older models like that which sounded *good*, but if you're saying they are *that* good, I think you're dreaming a bit. A 2" paper tweeter *sucks* compared to a good metal tweeter from today. NOW, on the other hand, the design is sound and if it's a sealed design, you're going to hear stuff from an *old* sealed design that you won't hear from a *new* ported speaker. The thing is, you've been listening to upper mass market speakers, not actual high-end speakers, so if you go do more listening, you'll find speakers that blow away the old ESS speakers, but you're just not looking in the right places.Though, I do know what you mean by the word "lemming". I use it a lot.
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Yep your right the 2"paper tweeter is suppose to be far inferior to the newer domed type - every spec sheet on the planet will agree with you. Then why don't these upper end mass market ported speakers of today sound better than the entry level ported speakers of 30 years ago? I suppose for the same reason a $1000 analog setup will usually smoke a much more expensive digital rig. Specs ain't all that - but thats another posting.
As far as blowing away the ESS speakers ... yeah my Soundlabs and Quads seem to do that pretty well. But I think it a shame when you need to spend high end dollars (though maybe not to the Soundlab and Quad level) today to beat out the entry level or lower midfi sound of 30 years ago.
i s'pose if 'flatter' is your take on a tweet- metal domes're great.. but GOD do they hurt my ears. to mine own ears-- if a tweet is flat, it's got a bad upper midrange hump.. metal tweets are AWESOME at upper midrange humps.. and filling removal!i'm just bein contrary- i'm sure there's good ones.. but i'll take a paper or silk dome just 'bout any day of the week.. i use horns myself, but stick to the phenolics..
and what is heard is more realistic. The older speakers let loose a truthful amount of interior detail without pushing the tweeter hash that is so often confused with detail in todays products. It is an odd conundrum that while hearing more you are also hearing less.
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