|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
of people say they are? Everywhere you go you here Bose is best.
I heard a conversation similar to this the other day when I was
at the flea markets. Even in the barber shops they talk about how
good bose sounds in their bass boats. And you even here conversations
between winos how they used to have a bad ass Bose setup in their
trailor house that they lost for 40 bucks at the pawnshop. Even the bass heads after listening to their buddies' 4" bose speakers in their
AMC Pacers are thinking of chunking their 2000 watt handling 15" subs
in favor of the Boses. Bose has got to be the best. How could people
like the above be wrong?
Follow Ups:
You actually expect the masses that read these threads to believe
you when you say Bose is junk, no good, infereior, etc? BwaaaHaaaHaa!
Come on now. I'd be willing to bet that 83% of you in here have Bose
setups in your home. It's like going into the most expensive meat house in town with the best Ribeye around claiming that you hate Mcdonald's when we all know you eat there 3 or 4 times a week. Why would anyone in their right brain
spend 5K plus on speakers such as B&W when they can get Bose 901s for about a grand and a half? You're all lying well at least 83% of you.
The other 17% actually have 5K plus speakers but they are obviously short on brains. LOL
And our system profiles exposed as shams also!!!!.
So much for my fantasy audio kick.Herbie was right all along, and not just doing it for the money.
I feel so ashamed of myself...
: ^ (
Let's see, I currently have eleven pairs of speakers in my home ranging from a retail of about $500.00 to $1,500.00 and will be getting my first pair of 4K speakers in a week. If there are any B*se speakers in my house hidden somewhere that I don't know about, I would like to find them, smash them with a sledgehammer, and start them on fire while dancing circles around them. The gap in your math is similar to the hole in the B*se frequency range. I am willing to bet that more than 0% have speakers falling somewhere between B*se and 5k.The food analogy doesn't work either. Yes, sometimes I will sneak in McDodo's or Burger Thing and poison myself. Humans inherently have a destructive side. But you are comparing apples and oranges to feces.
:-) !!!!
Bose systems rule.
Bose speakers are among the very WORST ever designed by anyone. Here's why. First, they do not manufacture their own drivers. Any speaker designer knows that not having control over the drivers is a dissaster. Second, the drivers are all VERY cheap PAPER cones with cheaper still foam surrounds. The problem here SHOULD be obvious. Ever read a 5 year old newspaper? Foam rotts....quickly, therefore rendering the spekaer defective. Third, in the case of the direct reflecting series (301,501,901 et all) Bose uses multiple same size drivers as full range speakers and applies 28db of artificial boost at the low and high frequencies. Any audiophile knows how nasty eq's are (or anything else in the signal path for that matter) and should be avoided like the plague. Fourth, these multiple same size drivers are wired in a series/parellel configuration, meaning that after the first speaker see's the signal from the amplifier, every successive speaker is now being driven not by the amp, which has an ideal output impedence, but by the speaker ahead of it, which does NOT have the ideal output impedence and worse still is frequency dependant. Fifth, bouncing music off the REAR walls is a stupid idea. Different walls are made of different substances creating different reflection times and patterns. Also, listeners vary in their physical distance from the speakers. High frequencies are VERY direct, meaning they will never be time aligned with the mids or lows in these speakers. Sixth, people, PLEASE LISTEN to the speakers..........not the hype. Compare them at the same volume to ANYTHING else. But don't fall for the Bose dealers tricks. They are known for wiring the competition out of phase to make the Bose appear to have SOME sort of low frequency content. These speakers are crap. Plain and simple. DON'T BUY BOSE ANYTHING. As far as the wave radio goes.......it's a $350 dollar CLOCK RADIO people. Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!
Please do not mention Bose in the same sentence as Leica Rolex or Microsft. Microsoft spit out crummy products but they ultimately work. For all the time Bose has been around you would believe they would come out with a decent speaker just like Polk did NOOOO! THey simply care about the dollars... This is a pretty scary company.. Talk about cynical... I will not spend onemore elctron on this thread!!
B*se, the Whipping Boy of audio, has reared its ugly head and stunk up the room again. Like a troll on a roll on the government dole. The audiophile must pass this pile for it is the bulk of the load, the chafe of the wheat, the detritus of psycho-acoustics. Yes, I am green with envy of the B*se suck-sess. If I could only bottle some of that snakeoil for myself.
hard to believe folks still spend $1700 on 901's
when you have world class instruments such as Magnepan's 1.6qr, Triangle Celius, Vandersteen's etc.However, you got to hand it to Dr Bose the man is a marketing genius (and one of the riches men in America I read somewhere).
The success of Bose over such a long time perhaps may not simply a result of false advertisement. Is it possible that Bose understand how to connect the music lovers to their music?How can the miniscule Bose system be more transparent or accurate than an audiophile approved system?
I think it's worth to talk first about what it means for a system to be accurate or musical. Most enlightened audiophiles understand that technical measurements don't tell the whole story. Distortions that are not detected by human beings don't mean anything if they show up in numbers. This fact is not a genetic but an environmental phenomenon; there are people who are totally oblivious to the shortcomings of vinyls, tube amps, horns and consequently their virtues overwhelms those of other alternatives; there are people who are too sensitive to such thing as digital artifacts, box colorations, that such implementations no matter how good are simply unbearable. The fact that only certain distortions play an important factor occurs not only in audio but also in other things such as video as well.
That said, if the ultimate reason of a home music system is to reproduce the musical content as is -- in other words, the hardware should be as transparent as possible, then the Bose critiques face a very serious dilema. The more you care about your sytem and the more you want to be make it transparent, the more it stands in your way between you and your music. How could you forget about your system when you constantly or regularly determine whether or not it is in the way?
Imagine your uninformed audiophile who's reading a book while listening to his music playing through his Bose system, which blends beautifully with the rest of his funiture. Contrast this picture to you who are intensely listening to music while sitting in the center of your sweet spot, with your 200lbs speakers 5 feet off the front wall and 3 feet of the side walls; not to mention your huge monoblocks and the rest of your others equipments lying everywhere; cables lifted. Now ask yourself the question: whose hardwares are between their owners and the music? There's no question that _technically_, your system is much more "accurate". But what's accuracy? Well, we have discussed accuracy. Sure, the Bose sysem's frequency response is not as "flat" as yours. But what is flat? The well-seasoned audiophiles will tell you that the very best systems aren't very "flat". You see distortion is a tricky thing to measure. If getting connected directly to your music is the ultimate goal, you -- the audiophile -- very likely planted the very seeds of your own demise when you became an audiophile. Have your started trying to get a better musical experience, and end up simply _trying_ to listen music, instead of simply listening to music as is your Bose-loving friend?There's nothing wrong with loving and building the hardwares. Leicas are beautiful; but there are leica owners' with only a handful of uninteresting photographs. When you start by trying to relive the experience of having Billy Holiday, and end up knowing much more about horns, tubes, mangeplanars than your Bose loving friend who joyfully listens to an opera and looks puzzled after hearing something like "single ended triode", then you will have to ask yourself what your ultimate and/or original goals are.
I often heard, "no highs, no lows, must be Bose". I've enjoyed tremendously -- as many have -- a system with a single driver and 2A3 amp, which when compared to a two or way speakers with solid state amp are a bit shy of highs and lows. Of course, Bose isn't comparable to that; but the question is: is the eveness of flat response (or some other technical thing) that much a critical thing? Technologies are getting better and Bose are getting better doing their stuffs. To me, the audiophiles face their own evil that remains inherently unchanged in time: having to make disappear what is right there in front of their eyes. Even worse, they constantly think about it; impersonalize it (examples are: "this speaker has no right to sound this good" [well, speakers are inanimate, they are no rights at all] or "this speaker sounds romantic, detailed but not analyzing" [well, speakers simply sounds as they are designed, they don't romance or analyze; it is YOU who are analyzing their sounds]).
Is it possible? Sure. Is it true? In a word? No. Bose understands marketing, not music. Please stop confusing the two terms.
To the layman Rolex represents the BEST wristwatch in the world. This perception is largely a function of marketing.In reality, Rolex is completely produced and assembled by robots and relative to hand made watches of simliar cost, unrefined and simple -- a true tractor like movement. Nevertheless the perception remains and you'll find similar Rolex Wars on watch sites as there are Bose Wars here.
damn ... I wish I had lots of money to spend on accessories.
Same arguments as cited by robotk.
> > Leicas are beautiful; but there are leica owners' with only a handful of uninteresting photographs. < <Way cool man; I actually owned a Leica back in the day; best optics around-
I know I'm wasting my time answering this, but Bose speakers don't even do what they claim to do, i.e reflecting the correct amount of sound off the walls maintaining the direct/reflected sound ratio. They do do what they were designed to do - SELL.
Bose is the most successful speaker manufacturer, and he must be admired for that. However, a friend just bought a $300 Sony surround system with receiver rather than the $1000 Bose competition and is quite happy with the > $700 saved!
Haven't we had enough of these stupid bose posts trying to egg us on into some audiophile lather?
Bose speakers are so totally EXCELLENT that they are usually given their own brand exclusive demo rooms because Amar dosent want to humiliiate his colleagues in the audio industry!
Examine the following words/phrases:bass boats, barber shops, winos, trailer house, flea markets, chunking, pawnshop, bass heads, AMC Pacers, Bose.
Which is the odd one out?
made a speaker with a magnet and coat hanger"- that was a great discussion and the post were hysterical!
As for DR DEAFNESS: Bose speakers are to sound as Chef Boy-ar-dee
canned spaghetti (puuuke!!) is to real al dente pasta and a classic marinara gravy !!! Everybody knows the name but anyone who is a
cognescenti would NEVER eat/listen to them!!!
BTW- Bose is horrible and IMHO, most Japanese speakers are worse- I still can't believe how many people listen to Sansui/Pioneer/ Technics/Sharp/Digital Doggs/Yamaha and worship them. Maybe dope, booze, dead amps and sources smooth the ear scorching midrange- synergy CAN work wonders!
Ciao, Godfather
Postus Scriptum: I did hear HPM 100s with a Dyna tube set that did sound good.
Godfather..the reason the HPM 100 's sounded good was, they were designed and voiced by one of the audio world smartest guys, Bart Locanthi, after he left JBL. He went to work for TAD,(the pro division of Pioneer) designing their comp. drivers and woofers and designed the HPM series.
c
That's what they say in their ads....They wouldn't lie to us,would they?
I tried to understand Bose but truthfully I never could.
People who have been exposed to Sony, Panasonic, home theater, Best Buy, Circuit City, Britany Spears, Eminem, and Beck think Bose is phenomenal...People who have been exposed to Jeff Rowland, Conrad-Johnson, SETs, Ambrosia Audio, Sound by Singer, Pat Metheny, John Coltrane, and the Berlin Philharmonic think Bose is crap...
I have been exposed to both groups and I think that the BOSE crowd have alot to learn about audio. Sorry Doc,but you are included in the people at BB and Circuit City ,wonder what your new top secret system is all about!I know the legions of your followers wait in anticipation of this new miricle which judging by the cost of other world renonun components won't cost as much as a house,but will cuff the mid-fi crowd for a nice $2K plus like your mini speakers which can be bought through other known quality companies like KLH for 1/4 of the price you ask.Must be for the equalization you ask so much!Good job.
a
"Baker Value" belongs in a real asylum :)
.
nt
I've heard the word used so many times in different ways I'm not sure what it means...
G
There ain't no such thing as a fat-free butter pound cake! I want fried chicken! With ALL the skin on it!
as in you are "trolling" for responses. they think you are posting something you know to be false just to get people riled up. i dont think thats the case. if you want to educate yourself about bose the internet is the perfect place. just do a search on this or nearly any other audio forum and you'll find many many posts talking about the ridiculousness that is bose. among the audio initiated bose is known to be a low value high doller sinkhole for ignorant peoples money ;) its hard to know how poor the value is unless you compare them side by side to a high value audio brand. the bad thing is that places that sell bose arent going to put them next to a high value brand. they probably make more money selling the bose.
.
There ain't no such thing as a fat-free butter pound cake! I want fried chicken! With ALL the skin on it!
out here on the Left Coast.
nt
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors: