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This clip was in the local paper today. While it's a shame we had a scam artist so close it's good to see our local justice system works.We all know how many posts arrive here about getting taken. Apparently if you phone the local cops, you might just get some justice.
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........except for the poor person who got his run into.
Police chaser 'incinerated' in car explosion
By Jano Gibson
April 22, 2005 - 11:39AM•
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Police became the hunted last night when a man in a Ford utility chased and rammed an unmarked police vehicle along a 3 km stretch of road in North Mead last night.The pursuit came to a fiery end when the man's car veered into oncoming traffic and burst in flames, killing the Ford's driver.
Police had pulled the man over in Briens Rd, Northmead, for a minor traffic infringement at 10.15pm.
But as police officers prepared to approach the Ford, it switched into reverse and accelerated towards their vehicle.
Parramatta Local Area Commander, Superintendent Geoff Beresford, said police were forced to take evasive action as the utility vehicle charged at them.
"He accelerated past the police vehicle still in reverse. So he is (now) behind the police vehicle. He then accelerated forward again aiming at the police vehicle in an apparent attempt to ram it," he said.
Police sped away to avoid further collisions but the man continued the hunt, clipping three other vehicles."It was a case of him speeding up to catch the police and the police speeding up to keep a safe distance," the Superintendent said.
He said the police did not reach an "excessive speed" along the 70-80 km/h stretch of road.
Near Briens Road and Edward Street, Northmead, the utility crossed the median strip and smashed into a Falcon.
The utility burst into flames, incinerating the vehicle and its driver.
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Briens Road resident, Daniel Adair, said he was watching television with his family when the accident happened metres from his house.As he and another man went to help flames began licking the side of the car before the vehicle exploded.
"It (the explosion) probably lifted the car half a metre off the ground," the 27-year-old restaurant manager said.
He watched helplessly as the driver was incinerated.
"It looked like a man-sized lump of something burning. It was pretty terrible," he said.
Mr Adair said the man appeared to be on the passenger side of the vehicle when it exploded, indicating the driver was unable to escape from the driver-side door.
The two police officers who had been pursued were not injured in the accident but were treated for shock and will undergo counselling.
Superintendent Beresford said the flames were too fierce for police to attempt to save the man.
Police expect to identify the dead man later today.
The driver of the other vehicle is in a stable condition at Westmead Hospital after sustaining several fractures.
Police have appealed for witnesses to contact Parramatta Police (02) 9633 0736............Absolutely no sympathy from me except for the innocent guy who was run into.
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Last week in my joking post about having AA members visit deadbeats to break their kneecaps you replied that sounded a bit extreme.Now an idiot burning to death is a "pretty good outcome"?
That's a big policy swing. :^ )
I have no problem with it, and wish more people who behaved like that would get such an instant comeuppance. It would save the taxpayers a lot of time and money. But maybe you ought to clarify your position.
You buy an amp from someone for 3 grand. He takes the money, never sends the amp. His just desserts are? ____________________
........…. I re-read what I wrote last week and probably some clarification is needed.In your scenario last week I was actually concerned that good honest people can feel “helpless” and “ignored by the authorities” that they felt the need to take matters into their own hands
I absolutely in no way have any sympathies for the criminals. I get concerned that when people do take matters into their own hands that it is them that will feel the wrath of the law and not the scumbag criminal.
Last week I said \\\ It is unfortunate that your idea actually has merit…../// what I meant by that was it is unfortunate that people need to do and consider taking drastic action because they are let down by law enforcement.
Also I said \\\ It is little wonder that vigilante retribution can actually seem like a good idea/// what I meant by that is retribution only occurs because the victoms of crime often feel that the criminal with get away with it and no other course of action is open to the honest people other than to deal with it themselves. The only reason I don’t advocate people-power retribution is that it is often the good honest people who will get punished for their actions and not the criminal.
You say \\\ You buy an amp from someone for 3 grand. He takes the money, never sends the amp. His just desserts are?/// All I can say Peter is that it would be a brave sole indeed who did not wish to pay me. Also, I would not spend 3k without knowing who and where the guy lived/worked etc.
So I hope that has clarified that I am NOT a bleeding heart for the crims.
FWIW I believe in the death penalty for major crimes.
SmileSox
You mistook me, and vice versa. I thought you were implying that left to a group, it would revert to a sort of mob rule which always gets out of hand. I wasn't thinking you were thinking the innocent would get punished.The difference in the two crimes is cause and effect.
The swindler is guilty in the 1st degree because from the get go he knew he was going to hurt someone, and he proceeded with his crime of duplicity. The drunk smashing into the cop car was simply imbalanced or out of his head at the moment, and never had an intention of doing what he did.
However, the net result of these crimes vary as well. The swindler only cheats one out of money or an item. The car crasher could actually take an innocent life. One has a guiltier cause but less dire effect, and the other is the opposite. Should they be considered of the same consequence then?
As for the death penalty, if you are going to do it there can't be all the haggling. If you are certain, and the person gets it, it should be done within a month of sentencing.
Those not getting it, but getting life, should go to prison yards in new mexico with no conveniences. That or hard labour camps to repay their debt to society thru work.
.........Yes, I think a swindler is a first rate scumbag criminal. He purposely and mindfully sets out to deliberately steal money from people. I believe anyone caught and convicted of doing this to multiple people should receive at least 5 years gaol.The guy who got incinerated is a different beast. It is not clear if he was drunk or high on drugs or in fact was desperate not to be pulled-over because of other criminal matters. However, once he made the conscious decision to ram the Police car and then chase the Police car he deserves anything that happens.
I do take your point that the guy in the car may not have premeditated to break the law so is not as bad as the swindler in that regard. However, his actions that could easily lead to him killing the Police or other motorist need to be taken into account.
Rightly or wrongly, I have always viewed criminals as scumbags and I have always viewed the criminal who physically hurts people to be worse than the swindler. Having said that, here in Australia the common house burglar is not sentenced harshly enough by the courts.
Having been victim of a house burglar who was on bail for about 18 similar offences and who went on to rob another 5 places after mine before he was actually caught “in the act” is a sad indictment of our soft-handed court system. The crim stole about $100000 worth of goods over the 6 month spree and had off-loaded the goods at a fraction of their true worth. He got 12 months gaol and no restitution order was made. I would have given him 10 years.
I would give the death penalty to those where there is absolute proof that the accused is guilty. If a shadow of doubt exists then the guy gets life! None of this years & years on death row nonsense, 4 weeks after judgement the crim should be executed.
End of rant!
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I am surprised to hear your system is so lax. I thought you guys were all business down there. :^ )I prefer the method they used in colonial america. They could neither afford, nor be burdened with jailing criminals. You were only in "gaol" until your case was heard, then after that, convicted or not, you were set free. (unless you got the death penalty)
If you were charged with a lesser crime, you might have to do some communty service (or go in the headstocks) and you would also have a mark burned or tattoed on to your hand to signfy you were a one time loser, so if you committed a crime elsewhere they could see you had a record.
The third time you get caught in the act of crime, the penalty is death. So 3 strikes and you're out. No costly jails, and the incentive to be good is obvious.
And 10 years for 18 offences and 100 grand? You are soft, that's easily a 20 year stretch. :^ )
........…… I don’t think reverting to colonial times is the answer. However, I believe the court system needs to be drastically changed to be representative of what the majority of the people want. I think my premise holds true in both Australia and USofA.I could be out of touch but it seems most people believe the sentences given to criminals are too lenient.
My big criticism of the court system here in New South Wales is that it is unbelievably inconsistent.
Examples – A rapist got 18 months gaol. Another gets 18 years gaol – a rapist involved in a “pack-rape” got 55 years gaol!!
The “average” (not a statistical average but from my observations of the media) a rapist gets about 5 to 7 years gaol.A house burglar usually doesn’t get sent to gaol until he is caught several times. However, a magistrate or a Judge may send a first offended to gaol for 7 years.
I think we are sometimes quite harsh on violent criminals down here (I am for it not against it) but it really does depend on the Judge and the Police.
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There's only "red tape" and "bullshit".The guy defrauded several people of their hard earned money, yet he's released of his own recognizance on a $10K "i-bond". Nothing further said about the charges levied against him, what the next court date is, etc.... When he doesn't show up for court, because he doesn't have to worry about forfeiting any bail, will the judge take "i'm on the way" with a bunch of vague excuses like the buyers that were defrauded had to put up with??? Sean
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Maybe in some parts of the country. I know in many places the police wouldn't have even done anything.I think I am a bit more familiar with what goes on here than you and I would be surprised if they let this guy skip. A large majority of the older residents of this area are pennsylvania germans, and they don't play that crap.
Unless the guy is a transient, they will issue a warrant if he doesn't show, and they will get him.
Does this mean restitution will be made to those whom he wronged? I don't know, but certainly this is far better than what usually happens. I don't know where all your pessimism stems from, perhaps the legal system is soft where you live. Well, as I said, it's not here.
My hat is off to anyone that knows that "the Pennsylvania Dutch" really aren't Dutch. To many folks, Deutsch sounded like Dutch when they couldn't get past the accent : )Other than that, i live in the Chicagoland region of Illinois i.e. headquarters for political corruption outside of Washington, DC. While you are correct that the majority of cops here would probably laugh at such a situation and think the internet buyers to be foolish, some might offer an ear and words of support. After that, the reports that they fill out would go into the file and be lost forever. Hopefully, that won't happen in this specific case as an example needs to be set for all to see. Thanks for sharing this and please keep us posted if you have the time and / or see a follow-up story once they go back to court. Sean
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I am married to one. My wifes family has been here since 1728. She has 5 relatives that fought in the revolution. One died at the battle of long island. Yet her parents, who were born in the 1920's spoke "dutch" first, not english. They didn't learn english until they went to school, and they both have heavy accents when they speak english.Most people like them still refer to themselves as dutch, not germans. (and they are not amish and have nothing to do with them) Even though the slogan on the Grundsow Lodge flag for example says "Dietsche" they interpret that as "dutch", not german. They don't mean holland dutch when they say it, they consider themselves apart from the real dutch of course, but germans as well.
The politically correct world has started forcing them to be called pennsylvania german, but frankly, they don't and never did care. The flag translates to "Loving God in Heaven, leave me be the simple dutchman that I am"
If I see a result to this I'll post it. Like I said, unless this guy is a transient who can pick his whole life up and leave this area, he is going to pay the piper.
Don't expect a followup in the Morning Call. Since this was an Ebay issue and therefore probably interstate, it's gonna be under federal jurisdiction (at least it should be). I have a neighbor that's a Whitehall cop, if I see him in the next couple of days I'll try to get more information.BTW - I'm 100% Penna Dutch (both sides); my paternal grandfather was a long time member of the Grundsow. His side of the family came over from Austria about the same time as your wife's family. Keep in mind that "Deitsche" is dialectic for "Deutsche" which is "German". Early non-German speaking settlers confused this for "Dutch", hence Penna Dutch.
You're right, and I don't even get the paper daily anyway so my chances of seeing a reply were slim. I only posted it because most people might not follow thru like those buyers did feeling it won't pay off, and I wanted to show that sometimes it does.Ain't choo dat Bob Rex wot lives in Schnecksville once? Vy, den you is a Dutch audio-fiffle! Dats wonderful good.
My wife is half Bavarian, and half Swiss. I'm all Polish.
Yes, yes , yes, I understand german, I had 3 years of it in high school and I know what Deitsche means. What you and everyone else must remember, is "facts" don't mirror reality. Your and my wives ancestors were called "dutch" for 3 centuries by "dem enklisch". It was an error that became fact. They ARE the PA dutch, THEY call themselves PA dutch because it's what they've been called for 300 years.
Yes, it is gramatically incorrect, but it is historically accurate. I don't like that one group of people suddenly decides history is going to be "made right" and change the entire thing. Should we stop calling indians indians too? That was Columbuss' mistake, there are no indians here. You see what I'm driving at?
People are stupid, we make mistakes and those mistakes creep into our culture. I don't think they should be eradicated to simply make the world "tidy" and PC.
Hey Naw, that's me oncet."Dem Enklisch" screwed up the pronunciation too. They just did it a lot sooner :) The Germans were called "Dutch" back then for the same reasons.
So you got a problem with "Native American"? (Insert proper sarcasm here) I agree with you, I just enjoy looking at the origins of words.
So, you wanna skewer "African American" while we're at it?
The PA Dutch diet - fat, fried fat, breaded fried fat, peas and corn.
And yet many of them still live well into their eighties!
I have no problem with native american, I have a problem with being forced to ONLY use the term native american.I THOUGHT we had freedom of speech here..... :^ )
Etymology is fine, but since I am actually a period woodworker by trade who specializes in PA "German" things, I hear that one ALL the time. It's become an annoying factoid the ignorant have embraced and they can't wait to parade around to people that they know the dutch really weren't dutch, they're germans and the english were too stupid to know deitsche meant german etc.... If I had a nickle... and if I had any hair left I'd be pulling it out too... :^ ) That's why it sets me off.
African American huh? I can think of a few but I'd better not say them.
I think we should all just try to be "Americans" first and foremost and worry about the geneology over cocktails.
Yes, with my wife it's salt. You never saw such a thing! She doesn't put salt on things, she has things to put on her salt. Her mothers mother was like that so they say. (lived to be like 90 too) I figure she's just pickling herself, and she wouldn't be doing it if her body didn't tell her it wanted it. She hardly drinks either.
Ha ha, LOL! You are a dutchman. You dutchified that last sentence without even trying. And "yet" many of them....
So what kind of gear do you boys have up in Schnecksville?
My post is all.
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