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In Reply to: Shindo amps and DIY posted by Janos on March 26, 2007 at 15:57:06:
You did link a couple of seperate issues here.First of all, how good are the Shindo amps? SET amps seem to be closing in on as good as it gets. Is Shindo the best? I've seen those claims before. We just have to listen and see. But I do have some scepticism about the proposal from the start.
The proof is in the pudding. Not in experience, not in stats. Two musicians could both have 30 years experience and one could offer alot more than the other.
Sound is quite a complex phenomena with tons of variables. Certain design issues cover alot of the ground towards the best. It gets very subtle from there and it depends on discernments, opportunity, builder's background and exposure, decisions, etc.
Someone could be familar with variables A,B,C,D,and E, but all of a sudden variable F comes along which someone has no knowledge of, and which can affect everything.
The whole field of sound is just too complex. Kind of like space. Going to the moon is not the end all. You can shoot an arrow, and the more knowledge and experience you have the better you can shoot the arrow, but you are basically shooting it into a wild open space.
Any DIYer has the world of sound potentially at his or her fingertips. Especially an unconventional builder. At any given moment what can be created can exceed what is already been done. That is a simple probability statement.
The boundaries here between commercial and DIY is almost untenable. DIY ia more like home-cooking or a single restaurant. What is the best chain restaurant that you know? Would you rather get your pizza from Pizza Hut, or the local guy that you know about on Washington Street in the next town?
Pizza is only basically three ingredients. Why is it the best on the east coast? Why is it that even Chicago pan pizza, loaded with luscious ingredients and it can be quite delicous, is second to the regular style pie here on the east coast?
Obviously art and aesthetics here too.
Sound has the potential to reach deep down into the soul. What has it been the last 100 years of audio/reproduced sound? But music is calling us for centuries, and sound/music is of a primodial nature.
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Great analogy! Someone who buys gear is a bit like someone who goes to a restaurant, whether it be a 5 star Michelin guide approved or McDonalds. It may be a great meal, much better than you could make at home, but it's someone else choosing the ingredients, doing the cooking and flavoring. DIY is like cooking your own food - you choose the ingredients, you season to your taste. If you're a good cook, you can do as well at home as at any restaurant, or better, for YOUR taste at least. And just like food, people's tastes differ. What tastes best to one may not taste best to another. Of course, most people will agree that food from a five star restaurant tastes better than McDonalds (I say most because, let's face it, some people HAVE no taste :-) ), but between two five star restaurants, some will prefer one, some the other. Some like Audio Note best, or Kondo, or Shindo, or [your choice here].
is that were I came from home cooking can be way better than anything you can get at a restaurant.You must have know at least someone who everyone thought could open their own restaurant. Based on the cooking that is, not that the restaurant could survive.
99 percent of the best food I have eaten has been a home cooked meal.
I'll be honest though. I probably have never eaten at a 5 star restaurant, and the pizza sometimes at one or two places the way the ingredients are blended just right and cooked just right, kind of just reminds me of what might be the ultimate: mother's milk. lol
But you are right to suggest the many other variables involved. I guess you can have a "My Dinner with Andre" type of experience at a restaurant, if you have ever seen that movie.
But I remember once, hiking in the woods on a winter day with my friends, when my wife at the time prepared a home cooked meal with homemade bread with maybe the bread in the slightest way was perfectly undercooked. I was at the university and I had just gotten a pretty nice apt in married student housing. My friends from home were visiting for the first time there.
That hot meal was the best dinner I have ever had, maybe seasoned to perfection by the whole experience.
Actually that was about 30 years ago!
So it's too when we get the amps home and we spend the many hours and even years of listening that the true flavor begins to emerge.
That's where it is determined how much it is art: how much it can trigger the primordial experience.
99 percent of the gear and a good deal of the music never makes it that far, it seems.
Have you seen the Japanese movie Tampopo? It is all about eating and cooking, the road to the perfection of the art. Or the Chinese Eat man drink woman?
Saw it many years ago when I was living in NYC. Hilarious!
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