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In Reply to: the ironic part is the nutcase who argued with me that Ringo was posted by Duilawyer on March 11, 2007 at 15:44:39:
I won't belabor this, because you are of the opinion that chops make a great musician.Which is another way of saying that you know and understand almost nothing about what makes a great musician.
If it were true, then Buckethead would indeed be the greatest guitar player alive, as you so amusingly held forth recently. (Snort, chortle.)
And it would also be true that the steady stream of wind-up-toy violinists from Asia would be the greatest violinists alive, instead of dropping off the face of the earth after their much-acclaimed debut recordings. Chops to burn, man! Yet folks still reach for Heifetz, Perlman, Oistrakh, Menuhin, Szigeti, Stern, et. al., none of whom even come close in the chops department.
Why do you suppose that is? (Trick question. Clearly you have no grasp of why most folks listen to music.)
Regarding your caricature of my posts regarding Ringo, aren't you ashamed to have to distort what I said and what other drummers said--in other words, to build a straw man--in order to appear to demonstrate superior knowledge and taste? Is that the best you have? It's not very good. I guess when the facts aren't on your side, pound the table, shamelessly.
Now, my 30+ years as a professional orchestral musician doesn't count here--different idiom. But long before that I was a drummer; I won't say a professional, but I was gigging regularly in several styles of music before I was old enough to drive. My drumming career ended with college, but I have followed drummers and drumming ever since. (I daresay I've forgotten more about drumming than you will ever know.) If you had read hundreds of issues of Modern Drummer, as I have, you would have read, month after month after month, the great rock drummers of the past and the great rock drummers of our time--most of your favorites are on the list, by the way--citing Ringo as the paradigm with regards to musicianship, serving the song, and getting the feel of the music so right so often.
Probably all those drummers have/had better chops than Ringo, could play faster, had a lot more drums to hit. Yet a huge number of them tip their caps to Ringo. They know--unlike you, alas--that their own chops and sheer speed are but a small portion of being a great musician.
In the end, this type of post from you is sad, really. Despite wide exposure to music and an apparent enthusiasm for it, it's clear that your understanding of it is utterly superficial. It's also clear that music has *so much* more to offer than you think it does, or have ever experienced for yourself. You haven't even had so much as a taste of what most people get out of music every day.
It would be sad, but you deflect sympathy with posts such as this: full of arrogance, bile, full of knowledge without wisdom. And you deign to tell the rest of us what a musician is. Remarkable.
P.S. I just told my 14 year-old son--a drummer for more than half his years now, and gigging before he can drive--that I encountered someone who thinks that Ringo isn't as good a drummer as Neil Peart, Buddy Rich, or Mike Portnoy (his current fave) because he couldn't play as fast as they can. He laughed his ass off. He said, "You're kidding, right?"
So: Congratulations, Dui. You have less knowledge, insight, and taste than a 14 year-old. At least you have something to aspire to.
Follow Ups:
That post is so rational, so compassionate, so wise, so...musical...that hopefully even DUI will be able to absorb it.Given time of course...
"I always play jazz records backwards, they sound better that way"
-Thomas Edison
and a rimshot!!!!
Rocky Road's post of the month-the nominations are now closed.This post reminded me of a recent conversation I had with someone at a party-he said he thought Willie Nelson was a mediocre guitar player.
After 5 minutes worth of what I thought was a flawless and impassioned defense of Willie's chops, I realized that my head was bleeding from the blunt force trauma of the brick wall, and I retreated to another corner of the room :)
Just wanted to make sure you didn't for some nutcase reason decide to delete this post.
I *do* have posters' remorse from time to time. Post in haste, repent at leisure!
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