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In Reply to: these days its more like a golden shower... posted by dave c on March 3, 2007 at 12:31:05:
sensitive male voice. Oh, so smooth and soothing and sounds like ten other guys.
Sigur Ros?
Okay, I'll listen to them again but it doesn't sound terribly inventive, propulsive, dynamic. Don't know the other two but there are gazillions of bands out there.
White Stripes? Yeah, Jack's got licks but I don't see a lot of development from cd to cd over the years and yes, I've owned them all. Boom, boom, smash, twang...repeat. Good but hardly great. He has a marvelous way with melody and comes up with lots of catchy stuff.
Strokes? Great first album, repetition thereafter.
Interpol's first was damn fine. Haven't yet heard the second but I hear it's good, too.
But all of these guys are doing a lot of borrowing. I like 'em, sure, but great? Hmmm.
Wilco is definitely an original but hardly "new" since Uncle Tupelo goes waaaaaaay back.
Follow Ups:
I think this conversation is a matter of perspective. For me, there is no way to miss the evolution of the White Stripes. It is a long, long way from the debut album of all hard garage rock and stuff like The Big Three Killed My Baby to get Behind Me Satan, which after the lead single, Blue Orchid, is primarily a subdued almost folky at points album full of piano and other instrumentation that was hardly hinted at when they started.The other you mention that I asee as wholey unique is Sigur Ros. But, when you mention the lack of propolution it sounds like you are looking for something specific. They're simply not a rock band and they don't rely on getting you moving. Dynamics are their, particularly on their first album, but they are more of the sweeping type.
That is exactly what has happened to "rock".
Its been covered by people, both artists and consumers, continually wanting something new.
Perhaps the question which should be asked about someone's new album is "is it any good?".
Perhaps there is no longer an artistic necessity to produce anywhere near as many records.
Now there's an idea...
ad nauseum.
Similarly, true artists don't copy others music or artistic ideas, whole cloth.
For instance, did the music and singers of Quicksilver, Santana, Black Sabbath, ELP, Doors, Big Brother, Jefferson Airplane, Procol Harum, etc. sound like each other?
Did X sound similar to Buzzcocks, Pistols, Clash, Dead Kennedys?
Velvet Elvis, Let's Active, REM: lots of New Wave bands.. all different.
The nineties? Things then started to go sideways a bit though Helmet, Lazy Cowgirls, Antiseen, 9-Lb. Hammer, Posies, Pond, and other bands didn't sound like anything or anyone else; at the mid-point, Oasis and Radiohead put out lots of good stuff, with "growth."
There are lots of good bands, lots of good songs around now but I don't see the MAJOR talent, the breakthrough star power and skills.
It will be fascinating to see in this "deregulated" current industry if "word of mouth," like that which made such a hit of "Blair Witch Project" can do the same for a band.
"There are lots of good bands, lots of good songs around now but I don't see the MAJOR talent, the breakthrough star power and skills."That's because it's no longer requisite for stardom. People today are biased toward a performer's looks or social relevance.
And from the performers' perspective, they realize it's the fluff that sells, not the musicianship. And hence, those who best provide the fluff become stars, and if any do have talent, it ends up being underdeveloped.
So in the end, we do see a void in major talent.
... that similarily to the idea that the biggest TV audiences are in the past due to the plethora of channels (and other forms of viewing and I guess the lower budgets for shows) perhaps the use of "pop" as a major market place is changing as the market shatters further and further.
Also my point is not do Led Zep sound like Black Sabbath (anyway I doubt I could tell them apart myself as I genuinely can't remember listening to a whole (even side of an) album by either.) but would you expect say Eric Bibb to develop a new style of blues guitar for each album?
Perhaps the days of buying a new disc from an artist every year are gone.
Whilst its nice not to hear retreads from people you like, is form where the change should come?
Perhaps we don't have the same expectation of an author.
All you want is a good book.
That changing each record might just be finding a style.
Once that has happened and the mature style has developed, then that's it.
If you want continual change buy Madonna...
have you is quite different than late periods. Same with classical music composers. And classical musicians: listen to the young Richter and then near the end of his career.
Jefferson Airplane... then listen to Jefferson Starship.
Stones? Listen to the first four albums or so and then "Exile on Main Street."
Janis? How about "Pearl?"
Jimi? "Electric Ladyland?"
Hell, even the B-52's changed a lot.
How 'bout Johnny Rotten? PIL is leagues different from SP as is his later work.
Yes, some artists, after much change, reach a status point. Then, usually, their best work is done and they spiral down.
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