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In Reply to: Re: posted by J on January 29, 2007 at 23:50:11:
...will thrill 'em at NAMBLA. ;^)>>> "Here's an antidote to what ails you. The choice is yrs." <<<
I prefer good European ales; my tastes don't lend themselves to the Joe-Sixpack school of music appreciation. ;^)
>>> "A choice I make is to evaluate both talent & the relative importance of the guitar in music in an obviously very different way than you do. I don't really care one way or the other, honestly, but in the scheme of things, yr guy don't impress me much & simply never did. What can I say. " <<<
Well, your Dick Dale link finally popped up and while I respect his technique, he's no more talented or innovative than the remarkable Mr. Schenker; he just has more years under his belt and performs in a different musical style.
As for the choices you've made, it sounds more like a reflection of your attitude than objectivity. Heck, I could give a flip how you regard the guitar in the overall scheme of things or how critical you are of Michael Schenker's awesome technique. In fact, it's readily apprarent that we define talent differently, but taking personalities out of the equation, guitar solos was the criteria for this poll and that is the topic being discussed regardless of the subjective choices either of us would make.
AuPh
- BTW, Mister J, this buds specifically for you (it's a good ale; my antidote of choice -grin)... (Open in New Window)
Follow Ups:
...when to simply stop issuing yr strongly held opinions when they are simply not backed up by facts. But then it's typical of the mentality of those who make people who criticize politicians look foolish by virtue of juvenile, insulting nicknames.If you wish to believe that Dick Dale was 'no more talented or innovative' than Schenker, that is yr right & privilege, as it would be to believe the moon is made of green cheese.
However, neither is true.
Unless you're willing to dismiss the influence of Dale's innovations on Jimi Hendrix. Are you now going to try to tell us that Hendrix was mentored by Schenker also?
Or maybe you just don't think that's all that relevant, but that goes hand in hand with how little you seem to have heard, if you find Schenker to be as great as you do.
I go out of my way to listen to music that I don't like, because it's a learning experience. I find Schenker unremarkable, but then I'm debating with a guy who thinks adding his work to a list of guitar solos would somehow make it 'objective.' That, coming from someone who didn't even know who Larry Wallis was.
Not surprising you'd denigrate a clip with Merle Travis as you did. I suppose he wasn't innovative either, although his designs for the electric guitar were being done at the same time as Les Paul's and Leo Fender's. Joe Maphis? Whodat? Get me a cold one, Cletus!
> > > "...yr strongly held opinions..." < < <Strongly held INFORMED opinions, and let's be clear on this, omitting two vowels isn't an intelligent use of shorthand and doesn't make your opinions any better informed or humble.
> > > "But then it's typical of the mentality of those who make people who criticize politicians look foolish by virtue of juvenile, insulting nicknames." < < <
Hey, if that smelly shoe fits ya then maybe you should wear it awhile, but innuendos sans context aren't suited to this board; I'll be glad to meet you Outside to discuss politics if that's your wish, but you should be warned, it's rough over there and I'm fresh out of no-more-tears formula for you.
> > > "If you wish to believe that Dick Dale was 'no more talented or innovative' than Schenker, that is yr right & privilege, as it would be to believe the moon is made of green cheese." < < <
Tell that to Wallace and Gromit after you find those missing vowels you keep dropping (they've been to the moon and found the cheese -grin). BTW, I'll wager here and now that Michael Schenker has influenced more contemporary rock guitarists than Dick Dale, and that isn't meant as an insult to Dick Dale's talent or accomplishments even though he fits nicely into the one-hit wonder category. Yes, it is quite a hit, but let's get real here. How many of Dick Dale's other tunes would rock fans readily identify?
> > > "Unless you're willing to dismiss the influence of Dale's innovations on Jimi Hendrix. Are you now going to try to tell us that Hendrix was mentored by Schenker also?" < < <
Now you're just being silly. Of course Jimi was influenced by a lot of fine musicians who came before him as are most musicians, but while I wouldn't dismiss Dale's influence on Hendrix I can't credit his innovations that strongly either. Hendrix drew on a variety of sources including his own innovations for his stage personae and musicianship. And FYI, Schenker couldn't have mentored Hendrix as Michael was just 19 when he joined UFO in 1974; Hendrix died 3 1/2 years earlier, but you already knew that (I would hope), didn't you?
> > > "Or maybe you just don't think that's all that relevant, but that goes hand in hand with how little you seem to have heard, if you find Schenker to be as great as you do." < < <
You haven't a clue as to the extent of my music knowledge and how I've arrived at my assessments, but you're quick to dismiss my informed opinions as if your own conclusions make you an armchair music expert and shouldn't be questioned. Conversely, from my perspective, you're about as informed on the topic of popular musicians and their place in history as Spade Cooley was about the best way to balance his marriage, investments and fiddle playing career. Note: After seeing the YouTube link I suggest you do a bit more research; you might even learn something. ;^)
Enjoy,
AuPh
We bait with weighted breath. ;^D
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