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In Reply to: 20 "Greatest" Guitar Solos -- videos posted by markrohr on January 24, 2007 at 11:50:24:
That Guitar World poll is full of baloney, because some of the VERY best aren't even on the list of 100!Examples (and yes, I've listed video per City Rags upping the ante):
Michael Schenker (UFO) - Rock Bottom; see the Don Kirschner's performance for the jaw dropping live version. This should at least be in the TOP 20 if not among the TOP 10, but there are numerous filmed solos from Michael Schenker throughout his 70's years with UFO that could qualify.
Buck Dharma (Blue Oyster Cult) - Don't Fear the Reaper, but there are a number of other songs (ETI, Burnin' for You, Godzilla, Cities On Flame With Rock and Roll, Then Came the Last Days of May, etc.) with powerful Dharma solos which might also be worthy for TOP 50 status.
Andy Powell & Ted Turner (Wishbone Ash) - The King Will Come, Warrior & Throw Down the Sword from Argus or Phoenix from the s/t first album. See the Don Kirschner's Rock Concert footage available from CRD of the original group circa early 70's; these are TOP 50 solos in my estimation.
Mark Farner (Grand Funk Railroad) - Inside Looking Out vintage performance included in CD/DVD set issued recently or perhaps the booted performance footage from the Summer Rock Fest, originally televised in the early 70's. This should've made it into the TOP 100 because of the effort put into Mark's distortion drenched solos of the era.
Joe Bonamassa (Live at Rockpalast DVD) - A New Day Yesterday, Joe's solos here pretty much lay the original version to rest even with Martin Barr's excellent guitar on the Tull recordings.
Paul Kossoff (Free) - All Right Now, et al., available live footage found on Free Forever DVD. This is one of the more egregious omissions, IMHO. There are several TOP 50 solos among performances on this release which leave some that were selected for inclusion in the shade.
I could go on, but what's the point? Virtually all lists are popularity polls designed to elicit negative responses when favorites aren't listed. These 'best of' lists have little or nothing to do with an objective analysis of technique, style, proficiency or emotional impact on the audience, but yes, I was suckered in, just like everyone else. 8^D
Cheers,
AuPh
Follow Ups:
Hey, solos are SO IMPORTANT that it's the only criteria that matters when judging music.Frankly I was surprised Mark posted this, but when I saw yr response I actually thought checking out the link might be worthwhile.
Nah.
Especially since I cheated and noticed something off of Freebird is included on the list. I don't want to break out in hives from hearing something for the 543,023rd time. ;~)
Well, like I said below to Dui, if someone enjoys something, more power to 'em. It's almost sorta quaint seeing outrage over perceived omissions on a list of... guitar solos . I could come up with some outrage of my own, and name players whose work is actually heard in this household...as opposed to these lists, mostly comprised of stuff I've heard way too many times, and much of which I never thought was all that good or even remotely interesting in the first place.This may sound strange coming from me, but I happen to like the early Van Halen recs quite a bit, in spite of all the elements contained therein which I loathe. Seeing the EVH Eruption footage does nothing but scream as loudly as could be how ultimately pointless his legacy is. As a guitar player. Who gives a shit? His best attribute to my ears was the pop sensibility that came through in the songs...and which magically disappeared when all of a sudden some guy with some sort of problem observing the speed limit became their lead singer.
The importance & significance placed on the guitar hero did a tremendous disservice, and a lot of damage, to rock music. I guess a discussion about solos at least shows that people care about music, but it's an aspect of music that completely & utterly misses the point.
And on the original 100 best string-belches list that inspired this nonsense, they couldn't even get all the facts straight. Shocker.
of the 25 most annoying and pointless lists. If we updated it, it would forever be fresh.
"Buck Dharma (Blue Oyster Cult) - Don't Fear the Reaper, but there are a number of other songs (ETI, Burnin' for You, Godzilla, Cities On Flame With Rock and Roll, Then Came the Last Days of May, etc.) with powerful Dharma solos which might also be worthy for TOP 50 status."Completely agree. Buck was/is very underrated as was BOC themselves.
I'd say TOP 20 myself :-)
Cheers,
~kenster
he was a piker, Can't play for beans. Anyone can play power chords. Everything on Inside Looking out I learned in one afternoon. Self taught. TNUC is actually a little tougher. Funny thing, I had that album for 2 years, COULD NOT figure out the meaning, my friend Mark comes over, looks at it for 30 seconds, "Uh, every try spelling it backwards?"
Oooppps!!
... and the down on the knees hair flowing to the stage, etc., it's sound and image combined to inspire every 15 year old that he too can be the next great gee-tarist! :o)Hey if you want virtuosity alone, look to Steve Howe (Yes) or even Roger Hodgson (Supertramp). They're supurb musicians, but for classic rock solos sometimes virtuosity takes a back-seat to charismatic style and hitting just the right chord or note at just the right time; Mark Farner was and remains one of the masters of putting it all together live, in one package.
AuPh
I don't get the Messenger reference, you mean like Jesus? I liked Grand Funk BTW, and used to take constant bashing from people because I said they were better than the Cream. They were not better musicians, I was wrong. But I would rather hear GFR than Cream any day. Possibly Farners voice, which IS WAY easier on the ears than Bruce's.
on January 24, 2007 at 21:20:00 Duilawyer wrote:> > I liked Grand Funk BTW, and used to take constant bashing from people because I said they were better than the Cream. They were not better musicians, I was wrong. But I would rather hear GFR than Cream any day. < <
Yeah, I'd rather hear most GFR than most Cream any day too. But I'll go even farther and say that, while they may not have been "better musicians" in the usual sense of the term (scope, command of their instruments, versatility, etc.), Mel Schacher and Don Brewer were definitely a tighter and more propulsive rhythm section than Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker. The GFR bassist & drummer were "better ROCK musicians" than the Cream backline.From a purely guitaristic standpoint I'm indifferent to both Mark Farner & Eric Clapton, so for me that's a wash. I suppose I prefer Clapton's soloing to Farner's, but I prefer Farner's rhythm guitar playing to Clapton's, especially on up-tempo, R&B type grooves.
In the battle of the bands GFR showed up unarmed.Farner's an inept player - barely able to tune his axe much less play a competent solo.
Cream's roadies were probably a better band than GFR.
Cream was the greatest power trio of all time and GINGER BAKER the greatest rock drummer of them all. Just a fact that can be gleaned from a good listening session. Even Farner has stated his great admiration for Mssrs. Clapton Bruce and Baker.
And yet I love GFR. They played balls out rock and roll and could kick the ass of almost any other band I can think of (not Cream - but they were from another era). Their lack of instrumental prowess is not a serious handicap for they could rock and sometimes that's all that matters.
And I'd rather listen to the worst of GFR than the best of bands I can't stand (RUSH, KISS, and Legend come immediately to mind). GFR may have been just a garage band but they were a GREAT garage band.
But better than Cream? No way - not even in another universe. Totally different vibes. Both great but very very different.
to wit: see "No Contest" post
for we are all formed by our prejudices.Even da Vinci and Beethoven had their detractors.
er, right. That was my point. Ergo...
... throughout Grand Funk's most popular touring years, when it was just Mark, Don & Mel. Oddly enough, that Messenger guitar may in part be responsible for some of the group's touring success, in a manner of speaking. The Messenger guitar Mark Farner used on stage and it is assumed in the studio had a unique distortion controls built into it that could really be made to kick in on higher frequencies; he taped the fret holes up which reduced feedback and enhanced the distortion effects giving the guitar a fat, crunchy kind of sound.The only downside was that the addition of masking tape made his green Messenger guitar look like it was literally held together with glue and bailing wire, and believe me it was a pretty crappy lookin' guitar even without the masking tape (LOL!), but somehow what Mark got out of his Messenger was a stylized sound that really made those early albums. After he switched to other well known brands of stage guitars like top dollar Gibsons, Fenders, etc., some of that fat, distortion drenched sound was lost and while greater control may have been obtained through foot pedals and outboard devices allowing a broader range of effects such as echo, nothing quite sounded like that green Messenger. I'll try to locate and link a photo of him playing that guitar in the early 70's and other info. :o)
Cheers,
AuPh
http://www.photofeatures.com/grandfunk/images/prevs/g06001a.jpg
:o(
Not only a great player, but an incredible singer and dare I say, one the nicest people I've ever known-in or out of the biz
basically the same post. But I don't know him.
Nice clip of SRV that I hadn't seen before, however.
... from the period when Ed King (formerly lead guitar of The Strawberry Alarm Clock) was still in the group. All of the other footage I've seen was after he left, during the period when there were just two guitars trading leads and the period after Steve Gaines joined making it 3 guitars again (during the year prior to the fated plane crash).Cheers,
AuPh
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